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Mr. Sandefur. That's correct, yes. 



Mr. McMillan. That has been accepted widely as the standard 

 measurement of nicotine output of a cigarette in the process of 

 being smoked? 



Mr. Sandefur. Yes, sir. That methodology has been accepted 

 worldwide as the standard for measuring tar and nicotine. 



Mr. McMillan. Now, that figure there represents what, the yield 

 of one cigarette or a pack of cigarettes? 



Mr. Sandefur. One cigarette. 



Mr. McMillan. One cigarette? 



Mr. Sandefur. Yes. 



Mr. McMillan. Now, the list covers an array of products that 

 runs from Carlton at the bottom, which has the lowest yield of 

 08.08, to Lucky Strike nonfilter, which is the only nonfilter on the 

 list which is a 70 millimeter cigarette in length compared to the 

 85 millimeter filter tip Carlton, and the Lucky Strike nicotine yield 

 is 1.46. 



Is that correct? 



Mr. Sandefur. Yes, sir. 



Mr. McMillan. And that would be, what, close to 18 times the 

 nicotine yield from one end of that scale to the other. 



Mr. Sandefur. Yes, sir. That seems to be correct. 



Mr. McMillan. Well, I don't know whether the Lucky Strike. I'm 

 not singling anybody out here. I used to smoke Lucky Strikes. I 

 thought they were pretty good and tasted good. It turns out maybe 

 I was smoking at the high end of the nicotine scale. I don't know 

 whether it was the highest. 



Are there any cigarettes with a yield higher than 1.46? 



Mr. Sandefur. Yes, sir. I think there are some still around that 

 would have a higher nicotine level than that. 



Mr. McMillan. But 1.46, I would assume, would then represent 

 fairly normal blend of flue-cured tobacco. 



Mr. Sandefur. Yes, sir. This particular blend in a Lucky Strike 

 70 millimeter would be a relatively old blend. I would suspect that 

 was designed many, many years ago for a nonfilter cigarette. 



Mr. McMillan. Right. Now there's nothing in the law that says 

 places a limit on the nicotine yield of a cigarette product. 



Mr. Sandefur. That's correct. 



Mr. McMillan. Has anyone to your knowledge ever analyzed 

 these things, if you take the yield per cigarette and tried to derive 

 from that some level at which a person would reach a level of what 

 might be legally defined as addictive? 



Mr. Sandefur. No, sir. In my 30 years in this business, I have 

 never heard anything like that, no, sir. 



Mr. McMillan. Wouldn't it also have to include, it seems to me, 

 a behavioral pattern that would represent the number of units 

 consumed, not simply what's in one cigarette? 



Mr. Sandefur. Yes, sir, you would think so. 



Mr. McMillan. And that's going to vary all over the lot? 



Mr. Sandefur. That's correct. 



Mr. McMillan. So if one were to try to attempt to regulate this, 

 they would probably then have to define not only what is the limit 

 that would be allowed in a cigarette. Let's just say for the sake of 

 argument it is 1 milligram per cigarette. In order to address the 



