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Mr. GUNDERSON. You are confusing me. 



Mr. Carlson. I am sorry. 



All the building and facility money in the CSRS appropriation is 

 put in by Congress. The administration has not requested any 

 money for buildings and facilities in the request that was sent for- 

 ward. 



Mr. GUNDERSON. For fiscal year 1994? 



Mr. Carlson. That is correct. 



Mr. Finney. Let me see if I can help with that point, if I may. 



Mr. GUNDERSON. Certainly. 



Mr. Finney. There may be a little bit of confusion here as far as 

 what the administration is requesting. 



Dr. Carlson is speaking on behalf of the Cooperative State Re- 

 search Service, which of course provides funds for the State univer- 

 sity agricultural experiment station system. If I understand what 

 you're saying, it is that CSRS would not make a request for build- 

 ings and facilities. But the Department does request buildings and 

 facilities for the Federal laboratories, which would come under the 

 Agricultural Research Service. 



Mr. Carlson. I was only speaking for the Cooperative State Re- 

 search Service. 



Mr. GUNDERSON. So you would support not putting any money 

 from this area into brick and mortar for State research programs? 



Mr. Carlson. What we have done in the past — and I would hope 

 in the future — would be to say that the funds should be in a com- 

 petitive program for the xiniversities and so forth. We strongly sup- 

 port the Agricultural Research Service suid its needs because that 

 is the premier agricultural research station in the world. That real- 

 ly needs to be kept up and we all have a vested interest in that, 

 and I am not with the Agricultural Research Service. 



Mr. GUNDERSON. But Dr. Carlson, how does this respond to your 

 testimony on the bottom of page 5 when you state that at the con- 

 clusion of the evaluation the team develops a report that sets forth 

 its findings, conclusions, and recommendations. You state, "The 

 purpose of this report is to critically evaluate the research program 

 in relation to the national needs and the proposed facility." 



Mr. Carlson. That is the proposed facility. Prior to that — Con- 

 gress asks us to prepare a report. It is in the appropriations bill. 

 We are required to prepare a report. Therefore, the proposed facil- 

 ity is from the proposal that the institution sends us in order for 

 us to prepare that report. It is not our proposal. 



Mr. GUNDERSON. So you are saying that that is a part of this sec- 

 tion that just looks at the evaluation of the buildings and facilities, 

 correct? In other words, you evaluate the building based on the re- 

 search that is being done there? 



Mr. Carlson. That is correct. Not only that, but the building and 

 the staff that is there and the whole facility. But that is mandated 

 by the Appropriations Committee. 



Mr. GUNDERSON. And if I understand you correctly, the adminis- 

 tration request would be that, in essence, we get rid of that? 



Mr. Carlson. There was not any money requested in last year's 

 request from the administration for facilities. That is correct. 



Mr. GUNDERSON. Is that a one-timer, or do you think that is a 

 change in policy? 



