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between us and the Navy in this and a variety of things goes on 

 daily as that is how I spent this morning. The Navy, among other 

 things, has made their submersibles available for management 

 through the NURP Program for the civilian community. The Navy 

 is massively engaged in finding civilian use of their classified Inte- 

 grated Underwater Surveillance System. This was a Federal invest- 

 ment of $15 billion over 35 years to do some very sophisticated 

 stuff. 



The DOD ana the Department of Energy, through the encourage- 

 ment of the Legislative Branch, have created a Strategic Environ- 

 mental Research Program. It has a legislatively mandated Science 

 Advisory Board, which requires that there be a member from 

 NOAA and OSTP, and I represent NOAA on that panel as a 

 formal mechanism to coordinate our activities. 



And, finally, there has been ongoing for the last six months now 

 a massive effort under the euphemism of the Environmental Task 

 Force that was originated by a letter from then Senator Gore to 

 the then Director of the CIA to look at the conversion of intelli- 

 gence and defense assets to civilian application. This is in the near 

 final stages of wrapping up a long patient deliberation by the lead- 

 erships of the research community and our DOD communities, and 

 we have plans for implementing these requests. So I think there 

 are well-intended people who have set formal mechanisms in place 

 to make this transition to dual use, and to recognize that we are 

 living in a substantially different world from the one we have been 

 living in for the last 50 years. 



Dr. WiCKLUND. At the level that we work at the centers, we have 

 some coordination with other Federal agencies. Just to give you an 

 example, when we conducted our ultraviolet light studies, we 

 worked with EPA and the Department of Energy. The Department 

 of Energy actually did all the analyses of the program that we con- 

 ducted. We have a memorandum of understanding with the De- 

 partment of Interior to do our geology studies, and the National 

 Science Foundation co-funds a lot of the programs that we work on. 

 I can't say that is a lot of coordination, but we do do some, and by 

 the time it gets down to our level of actually working in the field, 

 we have to coordinate with the other agencies as the need arises. 



One thing I can add to that is in reference to the system that Dr. 

 Fox described earlier. Each center was asked to write a three-page 

 proposal on the use of that system in our regions and how we best 

 could use it which we have done and submitted. Thank you. 



Mr. Green. Dr. Bright. 



Dr. Bright. One more thing about coordination. As Dr. Ostenso 

 points out, there well may be mechanisms in place that if used 

 could provide that, and one thing I would like to suggest not be 

 done is create another entity to coordinate. I think that it is best to 

 use existing entities to accomplish the goals, and, indeed, as Bob 

 points out, there is a great deal of coordination specifically between 

 programs. It is just we do, indeed, have to do a little better job 

 somehow. 



Mr. Green. I would like to do that within the current structures 

 just because having served a lot of years in the Texas legislature, 

 we have more coordinating councils than we know what to do with, 



