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Mr. Synar. Thank you, Mr. Frampton. 



We thank all three of the panelists. 



Ms. Backiel, let's start with you if we could. 



First of all, I want to say how glad I am to see the Forest Service 

 is back on track to complete the inventory of the resources in its 

 class I areas by the year 2000. At least we have something going. 



At the last hearing, not one forest had been inventoried, so while 

 6 years seems like a long time to us, at least you are making 

 progress. So I want to give you that accolade right off the top. 



Ms. Backiel. Thank you. 



Mr. Synar. Now, the Forest Service found adverse impact would 

 result from the granting of five PSD permits by the State of Vir- 

 ginia. These permitted sources were all fairly close to the James 

 River Wilderness Area; is that correct? 



Ms. Backiel. My understanding is that it was three. 



Were there five? 



Three adverse determinations. 



Mr. Synar. All right. 



These permits were also the source of adverse impact determina- 

 tions by the Park Service; right? 



Ms. Backiel. They are the same ones, I would believe so. 



Mr. Synar. Didn't the Forest Service approach differ somewhat 

 from the Park Service? For example, your determination quantified 

 effects on aquatic resources from acidification of streams? 



Ms. Backiel. Yes, sir, that is correct. 



Mr. SYNAR. All right. Could you describe how you determine that 

 forest resources could be damaged by the new plant? 



Ms. Backiel. Yes, we could, but what I would like to do is have 

 one of my technical experts with me please answer that question. 



Mr. Synar. That is fine. Have him identify himself. 



Mr. McCleese. My name is William McCleese, I am Acting Asso- 

 ciate Deputy Chief for the National Forest System. 



We determined the effects, the potential effects of air pollution 

 based on the information that was provided by the appellant and 

 then through analysis of water quality samples that came from the 

 area that would be affected in the wilderness. 



Mr. Synar. OK. 



Now, we will go back to Ms. Backiel. 



You have very few personnel doing this work, but you have the 

 largest number of class I areas. How much help do you get from 

 the other agencies seated at the table here? 



Ms. Backiel. I believe our working relationships with the other 

 agencies are excellent. We collaborate on many efforts. A lot of that 

 is the sampling techniques that we have. We do that in visibility, 

 we do it in other aspects as well. 



Mr. Synar. Now, these three Virginia permits we have been talk- 

 ing about; the Multitrade, the Old Dominion Electric Cooperative, 

 and the Hadson Power 14, are the only adverse impact determina- 

 tions the Forest Service has made out of the 240 new source re- 

 views you have done in the last 5 years, other than the special situ- 

 ation for Mt. Zirkel; is that correct? 



Ms. Backiel. I don't believe so, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. McCleese. We did make one other adverse in New York 

 with the half moon project. 



