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program. Dr. Gage, I believe, intends to speak more to that later 

 this morning. 



These ideas, in addition, are discussed in more detail in the 

 report of the Carnegie Commission on Science and Technology in 

 Government entitled, "Environmental R&D Strengthening the Fed- 

 eral Infrastructure." That was also a panel in which I was privi- 

 leged to participate, and I would like your permission to submit 

 that, too, for the record.^ 



I think we all understand, judging from the remarks already 

 made this morning, that we are beginning to embark on a signifi- 

 cant and probably, spread over a considerable period of time, reex- 

 amination of how we are organized to deal with these problems. 

 This is an important first step. I would really like to lend my sup- 

 port to your sense. Senator, that we need to now take a more rea- 

 soned and sustained look at a range of organizational alternatives. 



One of the issues, for example, is how we conduct global environ- 

 mental monitoring. My own personal preference would be to see 

 NOAA, geological survey consolidated to form the basis of a new 

 geophysical science services administration, linked up with NASA 

 and its capabilities. There is a growing body of opinion that says 

 this makes sense. It may not be possible to accomplish that today, 

 tomorrow, or this session or the next session, but these are the 

 kinds of issues that we need to look at. 



I think it is also going to be important if we upgrade EPA to 

 Cabinet status to realize that we have got to also pay attention to 

 how the White House is organized to deal with these issues. 



Both of the commissions on which I serve felt very strongly that 

 we need to strengthen the capacity of the Executive Office of the 

 President to look at these cross-cutting policy issues, not diminish 

 that capacity. The task is not simply coordination, but to take a 

 more strategic look at the long term, as I said earlier, these long- 

 term policies in energy transportation, etc. 



It appears that the steps they are taking moves in that direction, 

 and I would encourage the support of that. But they need to 

 strengthen, not weaken, the capacity of the Executive Office of the 

 President to help a new, fledgling Department of Environment deal 

 with these issues, even as it develops the longer-term look and 

 longer-term institutional capability that we all see is needed. 



Mr. Chairman, I would just close with that and ask that, I have 

 sort of summarized my testimony, but with your permission I 

 would like to submit it in its entirety. 



Chairman Glenn. The entire statement will be included in the 

 record. 



Chairman Glenn. Thank you. We know you had a time con- 

 straint, and we will submit additional questions to you. Whenever 

 you have to leave, why, we understand. 



Mr. CosTLE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is a pleasure to see you 

 again. 



Chairman Glenn. Thank you. 



Dr. Jay Hair, President, National Wildlife Federation. 



Jay, welcome to the hearing again. 



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