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produce a document along those lines that could go to these region- 

 al fisheries groups and others on what to do if they want to work 

 with wild fish and what to do if they are going to work with the 

 hatchery, and this may already exist. 



Ms. Kapuscinski. Well, I think it is under development, and I 

 think what will be important once the drafts come out is that they 

 undergo very high quality scientific peer review, and then once 

 they are revised appropriately, then where Congress might be able 

 to help us is to provide incentives for those guidelines to be used 

 because, otherwise, they are not worth very much if they are just 

 published and not used. 



One final point I will make is that some of the last comments 

 reminded me that there are efforts starting now in the Columbia 

 River Basin to try to develop integrated hatchery policies because 

 the agencies have realized, I think, partly as a result of my former 

 analysis that there was a problem so there is a group, for example, 

 called the Integrated Hatchery Operations Team that is trying to 

 do this, and it remains to be seen what they are going to come up 

 with, and the quality of it will also need to be reviewed. But I 

 think that is a promising sign, that agencies, both state and Feder- 

 al, are starting to work together to do that. And what we need to 

 do now is encourage that in the rest of the salmon ecosystems in 

 Oregon, Washington, and Idaho and California. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. I would like to thank this panel and the previous 

 panel and leave one thought with you, that as you are working on 

 these problems and trying to take an ecosystem approach, trying to 

 look at the big picture, that even if we are to accomplish every- 

 thing that all of you have suggested and get human nature to want 

 to change its ways, it will be for not if we don't do something on 

 this globe to address human population. And that has got to over- 

 ride all of our considerations in environmental issues, but I thank 

 you all very, very much, and the record will stay open for two 

 weeks if any of you have any specific suggestions on legislation 

 that you think we should undertake. Thank you very, very much. 

 The meeting is adjourned. 



[Whereupon, at 12:15 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned, and 

 the following was submitted for the record:] 



