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The money we have got included in the bill — I think there is $8 

 million overall that can give some grants and help the States with 

 what might be considered a burden. I think that is more than 

 enough to get the job done. I think that the benefits to be reaped 

 are far, far more. 



Ms. EsHOO. I don't question the benefits. I just want to make sure 

 that the dollars that are there will ensure that we are reaping the 

 benefits that your legislation proposes. I don't doubt the merits of 

 what you attempt to do. Of course, we are very sensitive about 

 rnandates without the money being there, then this magnificent 

 piece of legislation would really 



Senator Lautenberg. I know, because as Chairman of the Trans- 

 portation Appropriations Subcommittee, I hear from my colleagues 

 from California quite regularly. 



Ms. EsHOO. May I just ask a follow-up question, Mr. Chairman? 



Mr. Ortiz. Yes, go ahead. 



Ms. EsHOO. The legislation obviously is for the entire Nation. 

 Does one size fit all? I mean, when one compares California to 

 smaller States and what needs to be done on their coastlines, is 

 this taken into consideration? 



Senator Lautenberg. You mentioned 800 miles of coastline. 



Ms. EsHOO. Eight hundred and forty. Don't leave that 40 miles 

 out, it may be mine. 



Senator Lautenberg. That is mindboggling. I would tell you by 

 my quick measurement, we have about 300 miles of coastline in a 

 State as big as New Jersey. We also have almost 8 million people 

 in there. 



If we have an appropriate standard by which to measure beach 

 water quality. States can decide. There is no compulsion that you 

 have to necessarily close your beach. What you may be required to 

 do is advise the citizens about what they are getting into. It seems 

 fair to me that that ought to happen. 



Ms. EsHOO. Thank you very much. 



Mr. Saxton. Will the gentlelady yield to me? 



Ms. EsHoo. Yes. 



Mr. Saxton. I just would supplement what the Senator said with 

 the experience that we had in New Jersey, beginning in about 

 1987, when people drew the conclusion that our beaches and our 

 offshore and onshore waters were not clean. The tax money alone 

 that we lost during those two years when medical waste was wash- 

 ing up on the beach, when we had sewer lines break and raw 

 sewage go into the ocean and beaches, people didn't go to the shore 

 area, and as a result, they took their vacations elsewhere and we 

 lost hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars in revenues in our 

 State Treasury. 



So what the Senator says is absolutely correct. What you can 

 gain by making this relatively minor investment is really well 

 worthwhile. 



Mr. Ortiz. Thank you. 



STATEMENT OF THE HON. WILLIAM J. HUGHES, A U.S. 

 REPRESENTATIVE FROM NEW JERSEY 



Mr. Ortiz. Mr. Hughes, would you like to begin? 



