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did take too long, but it includes a one-month turnaround time on the draft contract 

 from Clark's general counsel. 



Ms. Van Dyke also states in her prefiled testimony that "BPA ... is stifling re- 

 source development and conservation programs by its customers". BPA notes that 

 last spring we provided two months worth of free inspection services from a contrac- 

 tor for Clark when they were not able to hire a replacement for their commercial 

 lead who retired. In addition, we provide Clark with administrative reimbursement 

 under Energy Smart Design (ESD). Also, during the ESD contract negotiation proc- 

 ess last winter, administrative allowances were made for Clark so that they could 

 afford to pursue commercial conservation with their subcontracted program pro- 

 vider. 



Mr. DeFazio. Yes. I'd just be interested in that. It may point to 

 another problem. Okay. I appreciate the Administrator spending so 

 much time here with us today. I hadn't expected it to go quite this 

 long, but I think a lot of the testimony was useful. 



i^Gid it's hard to sit there and listen to people being critical, but 

 I think that it certainly demonstrates to a lot of your customers 

 that, as a number of people have said, you're serious about making 

 some real changes. 



I appreciate the time you've given and will look forward to fur- 

 ther discussions. Thank you very much. 



Mr. Hardy. Thank you, Mr. Chsdrman. 



PANEL CONSISTING OF MATT DILLON, COMMISSIONER, SNO- 

 HOMISH COUNTY PUBLIC UTILITIES DISTRICT, EVERETT, 

 WA; MARC SULLIVAN, DIRECTOR ENERGY MANAGEMENT 

 SERVICES DIVISION, SEATTLE CITY LIGHT; AND IVAN 

 JONES, PRESIDENT, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, CLATSKANIE 

 PEOPLE'S UTILITY DISTRICT, OREGON 



Mr. DeFazio. With that, well call up the last panel, Matt Dillon, 

 Marc SuUivan and Ivan Jones. We'll go in the order we've got you 

 listed here, so Matt Dillon would be first. There still will be BPA 

 representatives here and I know that Snohomish has had some 

 p^icular concerns or difficulties and they will be heard, although 

 the Administrator had to leave. So go right ahead. 



STATEMENT OF MATT DILLON 



Mr. Dillon. Good afternoon, Congressman DeFazio. My name is 

 Matt Dillon. I was first elected to the Snohomish County PUD 

 Board of Commissioners in 1982. Snohomish is BPA's largest pref- 

 erence customer. We buy 80 percent of our power, about $120 mil- 

 Uon a year, from Bonneville and generate 20 percent. 



We've been a BPA customer since 1949. Thank you for inviting 

 me to test^ today and staying so late. It's been 13 years since 

 Congress passed the Northwest Power Act and I applaud your deci- 

 sion to hold these hearings. Your timing could not be better. 



I have come here today to tell you that BPA could help us more 

 by doing less. Perhaps Saul Alinsky said it best, "Never do for oth- 

 ers what they can do for themselves. Never." 



If Bonneville just had the right rate structure, it would not have 

 to be in the conservation business. It would not have to support the 

 expensive staff and the expensive programs. In the region, we get 

 far more conservation. Utilities and their customers would have a 

 clear choice. When their loads grow, they can pay an awful lot 

 more for it or they can conserve what they have. 



