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Mr. DeFazio. Mr. Jones. Wait a minute. Mr. Sullivan is next and 

 then Mr. Jones. You're sitting in the middle. You confused me. Go 

 ahead. 



STATEMENT OF MARC SULLIVAN 



Mr. Sullivan. Sorry about that, Mr. Chairman. My name is 

 Marc SulUvan. 



Mr. DeFazio. Well, you're on the left, so that makes sense, with 

 Ivan in the middle. 



Mr. Sullivan. It depends on your perspective. I think I'm on the 

 right here. It's a pleasure to be here. I am speaking today not just 

 for the Seattle City Light Department, but for the city of Seattle. 

 You've received my testimony. I suspect you've read it and I think 

 I will spare you a dramatic rendition of what you have already 

 read and just hit on a couple of key points. 



I'd like to briefly comment on fuel choice and speak to the issue 

 of regionalism when it comes to resource development, and then 

 take (hrectly the question of whether Bonneville's and, by imphca- 

 tion, its customer utilities' conservation programs are uniquely or 

 luiacceptably efficient. 



On the question of fuel choice and inter-ftiel competition, rather 

 than announce any sweeping policies, I simply want to note several 

 things that we are doing in Seattle. Bonneville has indicated that 

 they are willing to run some fuel choice or fuel switching pilots 

 around the region and willing to put up money for those. 



Seattle was one of the first utilities to respond to that notice of 

 inquiry and we're working closely with Washington Natural Gas, 

 the local distribution company in our jurisdiction, to come up with 

 a joint proposal for an experimental fuel switching program. 



We think there's a substantial potential there, but we think that 

 that potential has to be explored and demonstrated and that a vari- 

 ety of research efforts is the right way to go and we're looking for- 

 ward to being part of that demonstration. 



Last year, we ran a city-wide blitz showerhead distribution pro- 

 gram. The timing and the speed were driven by a water supplied 

 route, but there were obviously substantial energy saving benefits, 

 as well. The program distributed energy-efficient shower heads and 

 faucet aerators and other water-saving materials to everybody in 

 the service territory, whatever their fuel, and for the first time, we 

 had a conservation program that brought in contributions from 

 both the electric utility and from Washington Natural Gas, a joint- 

 ly-funded cross-fuel conservation program. 



We think there are some enormous opportunities there for great- 

 er efficiency and effectiveness and we hope to find more chances to 

 work together with the gas company so that when either of us gets 

 into the home or business of a customer, we try to get all of the 

 efficiencies that are in that home regardless of the fuel. 



We think that by sharing those marketing costs, sharing those 

 logistic and overhead costs, we can not only increase the efficiency 

 of all fuel use in our service territory, but we can reduce both our 

 program delivery costs and the cost of deUvering gas efficiencies. 



Finally, on the long-term Super Good Cents program, we are, to 

 the best of my knowledge, the only utihty in the region that made 

 an affirmative decision that we would not offer the long-term Super 



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