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And if you compare it with cost to power the bus, which is where 

 the economic comparison should be made, it's probably costing 

 nearly as much for fish and wildlife as it is for the Federal dams 

 to generate power at the bus. 



So a large chimk of Bonneville's costs are in other things, trans- 

 mission and the WPPSS thing and all these other things that are 

 going on. So it just looks like it's inequitable to me and that they 

 should be carrying a chunk of that. I don't think it would have to 

 be a very large chimk, but it would have to be of some substance 

 to indicate that they have assessed the programs and figured out 

 those that are going to be of some benefit and provide achievement 

 of the goals. 



Mr. DeFazio. I assume you could also support the alternative 

 which I'm suggesting, which is if we are looking at some sort of re- 

 payment restructuring, that we try and get some credit on tiie debt 

 for these fish and vsdldlife pa3rments and other payments that are 

 related. 



Well, I want to thank the panel. If youll just sit there for a mo- 

 ment, I have some brief closing statements. But if I let you go, peo- 

 ple will rustle around and people won't hear my sage words of smn- 

 mation. 



I really want to thank those of you who hung in all day. This 

 was, as people said to me, £in impossibly long wdtness list, but this 

 is such an important issue to the region and if I had a permanent 

 standing subcommittee on this, which I think this issue merits and 

 used to have before we adopted some so-called reforms in Congress 

 which limited the number of subcommittees, which eliminated the 

 subcommittee which I would have permanently chaired in this Con- 

 gress. 



Anyway, we're stuck with what we've got. So I've got to cram a 

 lot into six months, thus the epic hearings. So I apologize for hav- 

 ing kept everybody all day, but I think it's worth it to us as a re- 

 gion that we invest this little bit of time now and take a more de- 

 liberate look at what we want to do. 



I think when we heard fi*om the Administrator at the end there, 

 he had a tough day, but I think that we also heard that not only 

 did he sit here to receive the message personally, but that they are 

 getting the message, and we heard that fi*om some of the wit- 

 nesses. 



They need to streamline their acquisition processes. The/ve got 

 to slim down. They've got to become a more results-oriented, less 

 bureaucratic organization. We don't want to have the model process 

 as our product. Progress is going to be the product and future ori- 

 entation. 



I think the/ve made some initial steps, but there's a lot more to 

 be done and we've all got the responsibility as residents and rate- 

 payers of the region to help them do that and keep moving them 

 in the right direction. 



It's my opinion that we're missing opportunities today. We've 

 heard a variety of viewrpoints and v^dll continue to debate this, as 

 we like to do in this region of the country, but I think there's cost- 

 effective conservation out there that we're letting go by. We're talk- 

 ing about lost opportunities. I think there are lost opportunities 

 there and I think BPA can do better. 



