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I think as we improve communications, which we have done on this 

 problem over the letters recently, I think we have fo\ind that that 

 tension that you spoke of, the creative tension, the djmamic tension 

 between the Council and Bonneville, actually fractured to a point 

 that it was detrimental, mainly because of commimications, good 

 communications. I think we have re-established those and 



Mr. LaRocco. What has changed institutionally; why is the com- 

 munication improving? 



Mr. Grace. I think in that tension that you speak of, sometimes 

 personaUties get too strong and that objectivity goes out the win- 

 dow. And I thmk we have been able to regain the objectivity. 



Mr. LaRocco. Do you think that the Council's plan is going to 

 be followed or will it be more like a salmon policy salad bar with 

 the federal agencies just choosing what they want as they go 

 through the line? 



Mr. Grace. Personally I think it will be followed. I think there 

 will always be some question by individuals what part is being fol- 

 lowed — it is human. I understand that. I think it will be followed. 

 I do not have a real concern about it myself. 



Mr. LaRocco. Administrator Hardy, do you plan to follow the 

 Council's plan to the letter, or will there be parts of the Coimcil's 

 plan now that you will not implement? What can you tell us? 



Mr. Hardy. As we have assured the Coimcil on numerous occa- 

 sions, yes, we plan to follow the Council's plan and fully implement 

 the measures that are contained therein. We have reiterated that 

 even in the most recent exchange of letters that the Chairman ref- 

 erenced. 



Mr. LaRocco. My concern all along has been that, you know, we 

 operate in not a crisis mode. We want things to be measured, and 

 we want them to be scientific, but we want some emphasis on this 

 as if it is a crisis and an emergency. And you had mentioned, Ad- 

 ministrator Hardy, in your testimony that what we had to do was 

 take bold action, and I think the frustration that came out clearly 

 in the Governor's testimony was the fact that the federal agencies 

 were not coordinating. There were turf battles; there was 

 miscommunication; we were dawdling, if you will, as we attack this 

 issue. 



I would like to know, with regard to the $300 million a year, 

 what you can identify as being dedicated to the juvenile salmon 

 problem. Can you enlighten me on that? I think there has been a 

 lot of focus on the juveniles. 



Mr. Hardy. I would refer you to the chart at the left. I would 

 say roughly $150 million of the $300 million is flow or spill related, 

 and almost all of that — really I think all of it — is dedicated towards 

 juvenile salmon of one species or another. In addition to that $150 

 million, there is probably, I do not know exactly another $50 mil- 

 lion to $100 million, depending upon how you count. You could at- 

 tribute to juvenile salmon some of the Council's programmatic 

 measures and some of the other funding we provide for fish bypass 

 screens for the Corps on their projects. So I would say you are in 

 the neighborhood of probably $200 million of the $300 milUon, 

 maybe somewhat more than that, that is specifically directed to ju- 

 venile salmon survival. 



