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rious why, since what we are really looking at here is flows and 

 water, why we are not looking at those additional dams. 



General Harrell. Well we are looking at Coulee — can I answer 

 that for the record? 



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This Question was also directed to Mr. Ken Pedde of the Bureau, whose response 

 is included in this transcript. I would like to add to Mr. Pedde's response that while 

 the Bureau projects are not specifically addressed, the SOR does include options to 

 model a limited volume of shapeable Snake River water. 



Mr. DeFazio. Sure, that would be fine. I understand, I do not ex- 

 pect you to be the expert. You have many obhgations in your job, 

 so that is fine and we would be happy to take the answer for the 

 record. 



Now how about, let us turn to Mr. Smith, in terms of moving to- 

 ward drawdowns here. Has NMFS found any indication that flows 

 are harmfiil to smolts? 



Mr. Smith. No, sir. 



Mr. DeFazio. Okay. So do you beUeve that increased flows of 

 generally beneficial to a number of varieties of salmon? 



Mr. Smith. I beheve there is general agreement on that prin- 

 ciple, yes. 



Mr. DeFazio. Okay. So in order to increase flows, one option is 

 drawdowns. Where do you stand on the idea of the drawdown of 

 John Day? 



Mr. Smith. On John Day? 



Mr. DeFazio. Yes. 



Mr. Smith. We have supported the drawdown of John Day and 

 feel that the bypass facilities can accommodate drawdown and 

 would like to see that go forward. 



Mr. DeFazio. Okay. How do you feel about sort of the pace at 

 which we are moving here toward that drawdown? 



Mr. Smith. We had hoped that it would move faster. We had 

 committed to work with the Corps to do that, and it appears now 

 that after a further look at it, with the structural changes and the 

 other modifications and the NEPA process and so forth that have 

 to be met, will cause some delay. We had hoped something might 

 start as early as 1995, but that does not look feasible at this point. 



Mr. DeFazio. I woiild hope that your agency would provide any 

 expertise it has to the General's agency in terms of developing the 

 EIS so we can expedite that in terms of, particularly, the question 

 of whether or not flows are beneficial. 



Mr. Smith. Yes, we are working directly with them on this. 



Mr. DeFazio. Okay, thank you. 



I have further questions, but for now I will defer to Mr. LaRocco. 



Mr. LaRocco. General Harrell, some of my constituents have ad- 

 vocated a federal appropriation to the Corps to allow them to per- 

 form modifications on the four lower Snake River dams. Does the 

 Corps have the capacity to make these modifications should Con- 

 gress appropriate this money and do you support this concept? Do 

 you support the appropriations? 



General Harrell. Well I guess I need to give a qualified answer 

 to that question. I do not know at this point what the specifics of 

 the appropriations would be for, what kind of modifications; we are 

 doing modifications all the time. In response to the Council's plan, 



