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days also. But also the tribes are very frustrated with the States, 

 you know, the state and federal agencies make the tribes keep 

 track of all the harvestable fish that they take in, but also during 

 the same time, the States, when they go out to check the boats of 

 fishermen to see what their catches are, the information does not 

 come back to the tribes until a year later, while the tribes have to 

 keep track of their harvestable fish at the end of the season. We 

 are accountable for all the fish that we take in by going to the fish- 

 ermen themselves, as the Yakimas do, or go to the buyers of the 

 fish and they find out fi-om them. But the tribes' biggest complaint 

 I guess with the States is that they are not being very accountable 

 for the fish that the sports fishermen are taking in. The tribes are 

 very disturbed about that and we would like to see the States come 

 up with a plan comparable to where the tribes are keeping track 

 of the fish that they bring in for harvest. 



Mr. liARocco. Okay. Well thank you very much. Mr, Chairman, 

 that is all. 



Mr. DeFazio. Thank you. I thank the panel for excellent testi- 

 mony, good response. I think there are a couple of things we are 

 going to get written follow-up on, and I appreciate that. Thank you. 



I would summon the next panel. And I am going to caution the 

 next panel at the outset that we sent out for coffee, but we are told 

 we cannot bring coffee into this room, so I sent the money back out 

 for more coffee and when the coffee comes, we are going to have 

 a short break and I am going to step outside the room to drink it. 

 [Laughter.] 



And everybody else will have five minutes to do something else 

 too. I certainly will not interrupt you mid-stride, but that is likely 

 to happen during this panel. So please come forward. 



Let us get ready to get started here. We sort cf chose this panel, 

 the construct of this panel, because I feel that usually a mid-morn- 

 ing lull sets in after a couple of panels and we were hopeful that 

 this panel would help us dispel that. 



So with that, we are going to move to the testimony, and we will 

 just go in the order as designated. Same rules apply as to the pre- 

 vious panehsts regarding time limits. And just remember that 

 those microphones — keep them close while you are talking. 



So Mr. Lovelin, if you would like to go first. 



PANEL CONSISTING OF BRUCE J. LOVELIN, EXECUTIVE DI- 

 RECTOR, THE COLUMBIA RIVER ALLIANCE; ED CHANEY, EX- 

 ECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NORTHWEST RESOURCE INFORMATION 

 CENTER, INC.; DON GODARD, MANAGER, GRANT COUNTY 

 PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRICT, ACCOMPANIED BY JIM DAVIS, 

 COMMISSIONER, DOUGLAS COUNTY PUBLIC UTILITY DIS- 

 TRICT, AND SONNY SMART, GENERAL MANAGER, CHELAN 

 COUNTY PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRICT; JIM BAKER, NORTH- 

 WEST SALMON CAMPAIGN COORDINATOR, SIERRA CLUB; 

 AND AL WRIGHT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, PACIFIC NORTH- 

 WEST UTILITIES CONFERENCE COMMITTEE 



STATEMENT OF BRUCE J. LOVELIN 



Mr. Lovelin. Thank you, Chairman DeFazio, Mr. LaRocco, mem- 

 bers of the House Committee on Natural Resources. Thank you for 



