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Mr. Smith. We will provide that. I can tell you about 8 percent is 

 used for overhead. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. About what? 



Mr. Smith. 8 percent. It is between 6 and 8 percent. 



[The summary of Chehalis River fishery restoration funding can 

 be found at the end of the hearing.] 



Mr. M anton. May I break in for a moment. I think we have 

 probably about seven minutes left on the vote. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. That is the last of my questions. 



Mr. Manton. Oh. Well, why don't we adjourn for about 10 min- 

 utes to go and vote and we will come back and some other mem- 

 bers may join us. I have a couple more questions, so don't go away. 

 We will be right back. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 



[Brief Recess.] 



Mr. Manton. Well, I guess we can start again. I have a few addi- 

 tional questions which shouldn't take too long. 



Ms. Ellison, are you aware of any opposition to the restoration of 

 the Chehalis River Basin? Are there any opponents out there? 



Ms. Ellison. Not that I know of. 



What we were discussing while you were out is an issue I would 

 like to discuss for a few minutes, though, is you have a lot of 

 people that don't understand the necessity for restoration. I go into 

 meetings and people say I just want to put fish in the river; I want 

 to enhance the fish. They don't understand the need for habitat 

 restoration. They don't understand what is involved. 



There is a tremendous educational opportunity and challenge out 

 there over the next 20 years, and in the process of that, and in the 

 process of building new coalitions and different coalitions of folks 

 who have always looked at each other as traditional adversaries, 

 within that human resource management part of it is another 

 whole component that has a great benefit for the people as well as 

 restoring the resource of the fisheries itself. 



And in terms of the educational part, we envision that, of course, 

 with teacher education and more conferences like we put on last 

 year with U.S. Fish and Wildlife so that the young people can 

 become aware of the interrelationships of managing well. 



Also, I see changing perceptions through two other directions. 

 One on employment. The ability to put loggers back to work, dis- 

 placed loggers who now do not have hope, do not see a future for 

 themselves and in many ways have some of the same feelings that 

 our Native American folks have in terms of this is generations as 

 far back as they can remember; that they have been three, four, 

 five generations, like mine, this has been a way of life which they 

 see is being superimposed as an end to them, and there is great 

 pain out there. 



I think at the point where people go back to work doing habitat 

 restoration, loggers who like to work in the woods, loggers who 

 have great skills on some of the big equipment and some of the 

 other skills that are necessary for habitat restoration, doing the 

 work that they like at full-family wages and benefits, then you 

 begin to see this is a time of transition rather than as the end for 

 the logging communities. And I think that the first time there is a 



