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The last item on shared technology is the Digital Sounder or a 

 Hydrographic Data Recording System we have designed. This is a 

 carry-on, carry-off suitcase system which has a standard computer 

 monitor, an accurate Global Positioning System receiver, and a 

 mass storage device that can plug into a standard depth-finder 

 transceiver on board a ship, record automatically the depths where 

 that ships transits and then can be carried off at the end of the 

 voyage to go home. We see that being deployed as shortly as 1995 

 on U.S. naval vessels, but there is no reason why it cannot go on to 

 NOS, Coast Guard, or civil vessels. 



In summary, sir, the DMA has a tradition of cooperation with 

 NOAA, NOS, and other Federal agencies. We think that partner- 

 ship has resulted in sharing of data and assets beneficial to De- 

 fense and the civil community. And we think there is significant 

 opportunity for future cooperation. 



Thank you. 



Mr. Ortiz. Thank you. 



[The prepared statement of Dr. Daugherty can be found at the 

 end of the hearing.] 



Mr. Ortiz. Dr. Schmitz. 



STATEMENT OF DR. WILLIAM SCHMITZ, CLARK PROFESSOR AND 

 SENIOR SCIENTIST, WOODS HOLE OCEANOGRAPHIC INSTITU- 

 TION 



Dr. Schmitz. This is my first time to testify before a congression- 

 al Committee. If I seem a little nervous, it is because I am. 



I am not a member of the government. I am an academic re- 

 search oceanographer. I have participated in a number of dual use 

 technologies, spin-off, spin-on type situations. I am also, thank God, 

 not the director or chairman of anything. I actually use this stuff. 



Some of the applications that they have mentioned I have been 

 personally involved in, for example, using SOFAR floats as acousti- 

 cally current-tracking floats. The SOSUS network will really help 

 there, also for acoustic telemetry. 



The gentlemen from the Corps of Engineers, I think we are using 

 his computer right now at Vicksburg. I am connected with the 

 ocean modeling effort that has been mentioned. As far as I can tell, 

 all of the basic research and applied research results at the work- 

 ing level are fully transferred across all of the government agen- 

 cies. I know of industry also participating when they are interest- 

 ed; there is no real problem in oceanography in that regard. 



Some of these technologies have been classified, but they are be- 

 coming declassified. I think, looking at the title of this Committee, 

 the bigger problem perhaps — and it was referred to by the gentle- 

 man from HASC — is other aspects of defense conversion. 



I was on a panel this summer called the Naval Research Adviso- 

 ry Committee Panel on Defense Conversion. There is a report out 

 now, or soon. We looked at all possibilities. The biggest problem, I 

 think, that we are facing with Defense conversion as a Nation is 

 really market pull. Most of the agencies are going to be coopera- 

 tive. With regard to market pull and the technology that perhaps 

 as a Nation we certainly want to try to maintain preeminence in, 

 shipbuilding, the national shipbuilding initiative is very important. 



