A closer working relationship between the civilian and defense 

 oceanographic communities can benefit both groups, allow us to 

 use our resources more efficiently, and provide added justification 

 for keeping important defense systems online. Although this is an 

 important step, I believe that we must use caution and be sure that 

 nothing will be done which would compromise national security. 



We have already started to move in this direction. I hope that 

 today we will hear some success stories and some historical per- 

 spectives on the interactions between defense and civilian scien- 

 tists. Beyond that, I hope to gain a more detailed understanding of 

 the mechanisms which exist to facilitate these interactions and to 

 discuss some of the platforms, data streams, and other resources 

 which have a high potential for dual use. 



I welcome you all and I look forward to hearing your testimony. 



The Ranking Minority Member, Mr. Weldon, should be here in a 

 few minutes. At this time I would like to see if my good friend 

 from New York, Mr. Hochbrueckner, has any statement to make. 



STATEMENT OF HON. GEORGE J. HOCHBRUECKNER, A U.S. 

 REPRESENTATIVE FROM NEW YORK 



Mr. Hochbrueckner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Like the Chair- 

 man, and also along with Congressman Weldon, the three of us do 

 serve, as do many other members of the Merchant Marine and 

 Fisheries Committee, do serve on House Armed Services. 



Clearly, as I think most people know, we have made a tremen- 

 dous effort on the defense side to utilize defense money to help us 

 promote dual-use programs that, in fact, utilize defense money to 

 help us produce commercial spin-off products to make us more 

 competitive in the world marketplace. 



Certainly, this year this $471 million of defense money that will 

 be used to promote dual-use projects through ARPA and in the 

 fiscal year 1994 budget there will be probably about $500 million. 



Certainly, it is very proper and appropriate for this Committee to 

 go in the other direction. Even though this year on Merchant 

 Marine and Fisheries we are utilizing defense money to help re- 

 build our merchant marine shipbuilding capability. 



So, it is certainly proper and appropriate for us at this point on 

 Merchant Marine and Fisheries to talk about how we can utilize 

 what we are doing on this Committee in order to also produce dual- 

 use systems that can ultimately result in better commercial prod- 

 ucts to help us be more competitive in the world. 



So, I think, Mr. Chairman I think this is a very proper Subcom- 

 mittee meeting. And I look forward to the testimony specifically 

 from the merchant marine area. 



Mr. Ortiz. Thank you. The gentlewoman from the State of 

 Oregon. 



STATEMENT OF HON. ELIZABETH FURSE, A U.S. 

 REPRESENTATIVE FROM OREGON 



Ms. FuRSE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for letting me 

 sit in on this wonderful hearing. As you know, I, along with Chair- 

 man Studds, have introduced a bill on environmental technology. I 

 see that as very much part of the dual use. As we develop our envi- 



