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Bonneville Power Administration to the Corps of Engineers to 

 NMFS to U.S. Fish and Wildlife, to the States, to the tribes. 



The solution to center all of that in the single NMFS Federal 

 agency is the Recovery Team solution. The Council's solution is to 

 force these people together. A scientific oversight group for NMFS 

 is the Recovery Team recommendation of 5 who would give NMFS 

 direction and be appointed by NMFS or I guess nominated by the 

 existing Recovery Team and then what authority do they have over 

 a Federal agency? I don't know. 



We think it is too centered on the question of the Endangered 

 Species Act, as you mentioned, and I think you fail to realize that 

 there are resident fish and wildlife problems that are affected by 

 salmon recovery strategies. 



If you drain down a reservoir and fiush the food supply of the 

 resident fish out now you got another partition so this thing sinks 

 together. 



Ms. Unsoeld. My time has run out but I will come back to the 

 other panel members in the second round to pose some more ques- 

 tions. Now my colleague from Oregon. 



Ms. FURSE. Thank you. Madam Chair. Dr. Bevan, the governor 

 of Oregon, Barbara Roberts, wanted to be here but was unable to 

 and submitted testimony instead. I have a question I would like to 

 ask on her behalf because it is something that concerns me as well. 



She says, and I quote, "I am deeply concerned that the Team's 

 recommendation identifies virtually no specific actions other than 

 the unproven strategy of massive barging to be taken in the near 

 term to avoid loss of these critically depressed salmon populations." 



Now her comments seem to contradict your own testimony which 

 talks of the need to expeditiously get on with the job and not delay 

 because of agencies, institutions and individuals without clear sci- 

 entific direction arguing over what needs to be done. I quote from 

 your testimony. 



How do you reconcile your comments with the Governor's obser- 

 vations and do you think that the recovery actions that the Team 

 has proposed will take place soon enough to be of use? It is a criti- 

 cal timeframe that she is speaking of. 



Mr. Bevan. I guess I can only reply that I have to agree with 

 the Governor's comments. I think that those who think that this 

 plan is status quo simply have misunderstood the details of the 

 plan. 



We have many, many immediate changes, changes in operation 

 of the dams, changes in structure of the dams, changes in harvest 

 that are considerable based on what has been going on in the last 

 few years. 



As far as recommendations on habitat, we have run into situa- 

 tions where things are going on that strictly are against Oregon 

 State law or Idaho State law or Washington State law and those 

 things can be fixed immediately and should be. 



On the habitat question. Congressman Crapo said earlier that 

 habitat is important in Idaho and we need to do something about 

 it. They have lots of habitat without any fish and on the other 

 hand you see people in the upper river last year when the water 

 was low using salmon gravel with bulldozers to berm up diversions 



