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Mr. Bevan. We have the abiHty to get it. The almost crime is 

 that we are not doing it. This year, for example, we have no pit 

 tags in barges and yet we have got a tremendous 



Mr. Dicks. Who runs the barges, the Corps of Engineers? 



Mr. Bevan. The Corps of Engineers runs the barges. We are 

 suggesting 



Mr. Dicks. And they have simply not done the scientific monitor- 

 ing and assessment over the years to give us this information? 



Mr. Bevan. Well, I am not sure that the Corps by itself should 

 be the ones responsible for carrying on that scientific measure- 

 ment. 



Mr. Dicks. This is what bothers me. When everybody is respon- 

 sible, nobody is responsible. This is what bothers me about this 

 whole thing and that is why I might take a little exception with 

 my good friend, Ted Bottiger, with this idea that we can let every- 

 body run the river. 



I don't think it will work. I think we are so far in trouble now 

 that we got to have some strong central authority and then let ev- 

 erybody participate in an open process in trying to come to a con- 

 clusion, but somebody has to make a decision and there has to be 

 scientific monitoring and assessment done that has never been 

 done over the history of this. 



And I ask people, well, who is in charge? Well, Oregon Fisheries 

 used to do it or Washington Fisheries used to do it. I mean the bot- 

 tom line is we have run this thing without the benefit of science 

 and I remember getting involved in this problem when I was on the 

 staff of Senator Magnuson back in 1970. 



We tried to do a lot of these things. We started the screening of 

 the turbines and blips-blips, barging, all that stuff started in that 

 timeframe but nobody did the assessment, the monitoring to give 

 us an understanding of what worked and what didn't work. 



And so somebody has to be in charge here. I think if Congress 

 has to come to grips with this somehow we have got to get some 

 lines of authority. I certainly want the Power Council to be in- 

 volved. They have done a great job, they have a good strategy but 

 we need to have someone who is going to put together a budget 

 who can get the agencies to work together and marshall the forces 

 here. 



I think if we let this thing drift along we are never going to get 

 an answer. I will just throw that out for comment. 



Mr. Holt. If I may revisit the original question. In tribes' mind, 

 the barging obviously is not the answer. The results and the mor- 

 tality on the species is yet to be understood. Our frustration in that 

 regard is the lack of an ability or the obstruction or hindrance of 

 allowing the tribes to understand the cause of the mortality. 



We do agree that when conditions provide flow and spill the aug- 

 mentation of such should be provided. 



Mr. Dicks. Well, what do you do about nitrogen, super-satura- 

 tion, so-called gas bubble disease? 



Ms. Unsoeld. The gentleman will get an additional round. We 

 will allow him to answer that question and then we will make an- 

 other cycle. 



Mr. Holt. And I will get to that. It is the frustration again that 

 the Corps in operation of the barging somewhat is providing a 



