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Mr. FuQUA. Our second witness is Joe Gavin, the chairman of 

 the executive committee of the Grumman Corp., and most recently 

 its president. Mr. Gavin has recently served as the chairman of the 

 National Research Council's Committee on International Coopera- 

 tion in Magnetic Fusion Energy, and will present the results of 

 that committee's study. 



Thank you for being back once again, Joe, before at least some 

 parts of the Committee on Science and Technology. 



STATEMENT OF JOSEPH G. GAVIN, JR., CHAIRMAN OF THE 

 EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, GRUMMAN CORP., BETHPAGE, NY 



Mr. Gavin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is my distinct pleasure 

 and an honor to be here today. 



I am just going to hit the high points of the conclusions made by 

 our committee. 



Mr. FuQUA. We will make your prepared statement in its entire- 

 ty part of the record. 



Mr. Gavin. Yes. I understand. 



The timing, I think, is important. This study occurred between 

 September 1983 and September 1984. In reviewing it here recently, 

 I think that the principal conclusions remain substantially sound. I 

 see no reason to change them. 



For the benefit of the listeners here today, I would say that the 

 committee consisted of a number of people of quite varied back- 

 grounds, and that a great deal of homework was done before visit- 

 ing abroad. We talked to quite a number of people who are in- 

 volved in both commercial and governmental international collabo- 

 rative efforts before we went to visit in Japan, and in Germany, 

 and in Europe. We visited in Europe, not only Germany, but 

 France, and England, and also in Brussels, the European Commu- 

 nity. 



Now, it was a good time to have done this because at that time, 

 and at present, I would say that the general goals of these major 

 islands of effort were quite similar. The attitudes, however, were 

 quite different. And I must say that our report did not attempt to 

 rate various technical progress or machines. We were principally 

 interested in attitudes, predictions for the future as to how things 

 would go, and therefore this is not a report which gives you num- 

 bers for answers. It presents a number of views and where we en- 

 countered perceptions, we tried to report them as faithfully as we 

 could, even though in some cases we weren't sure we agreed with 

 those perceptions. 



Let me just run through some of our conclusions. 



We discovered that in the past the cooperation at the scientific 

 level certainly had been very good, and there was a sufficient com- 

 munity of interest so that you could say it was a sound basis for 

 anything that we try to put together for the future. We also con- 

 cluded that while this country perhaps had three options: go it 

 alone — spend the money to be the leader; collaborate in what 

 might be the most effective global effort; or withdraw and face the 

 fact that at some future date the technology would be licensed for 

 some consideration in the future. • 



