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ry. You know, we all think that this internationalization of the 

 SSC means that it will end up in Texas, or Colorado, or Florida, or 

 Rhode Island, or New York City, or wherever, and our friends will 

 come here. When we put the shoe on the other foot, it's kind of 

 hard to conceive of how that field will stay first-class in this coun- 

 try. A lot of people won't want to make most of their scientific life 

 abroad. Some will. Some do. But it will be a very rough decision. 



Mr. FuQUA. Well, we and several members were visiting in 

 Europe recently with one of the science ministers. That is the very 

 point that he made from the European standpoint, that it made it 

 much easier to cooperate in the Space Station because it was not 

 site-specific. 



Dr. Stever. Exactly. 



Mr. FuQUA. When you started locating something, a facility, in 

 some country, then you created all the worst of everybody and 

 brought the worst out in everybody. 



Dr. Stever. Yes; I think this is right. No, that is a very wise 

 statement he made. We could put the SSC in orbit. Maybe that is 

 your suggestion. [Laughter.] 



Mr. FuQUA. That would be one way. 



What roles do you think non-governmental agencies such as the 

 Academies of Science and Engineering and maybe some of the pro- 

 fessional societies should play in the implementing and the funding 

 of international cooperation? 



Dr. Stever. Funding is a difficult question to answer, because 

 the ones you mentioned don't really have much funding of their 

 own. 



Mr. FuQUA. No; but I mean involving them. 



Dr. Stever. Oh, yes; I think that the relationships which have 

 been built up with all of those organizations and which are grow- 

 ing stronger are very important to continue to strengthen and fall 

 back on because they all have something to contribute. 



Mr. FuQUA. What I was really asking is should they be more in- 

 volved than they are today? 



Dr. Stever. Well, I think it wouldn't hurt because a great deal of 

 our strength in science is outside of the government, and so I 

 would say, yes, I think this is correct. We get around some of that 

 problem by having the people from outside government circulate 

 into government, and this is, by the way, a strength that we have 

 which lots of other nations don't have, of course. The centralized 

 governments, everybody is in government there. But lots of the 

 free world do not have the strength that we have of circulating our 

 top scientists in and out of government. 



But, no, I would get them more involved because so much of the 

 strength is outside. 



Mr. FuQUA. Mr. Packard. 



Mr. Packard. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



I see this internationalism as a real dilemma for us. It is certain- 

 ly a very popular and appealing and altruistic idea. But it really 

 never has taken hold and become a predominant effort in terms of 

 scientific research. Nationalism is extremely important when it 

 comes to advances in technology and advances in science. It has 

 always been that way, and it is very difficult to break out of that 

 mold. 



