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totaled something like $100,000 just for this one instance. And I 

 think it is important to note that while the Alliance of Marine 

 Mammal Parks and Aquariums and the American Association of 

 Zoological Parks and Aquariums (AAZPA) do have an arrangement 

 where they are in a sense self-regulating (i.e. they have an agree- 

 ment that they will take care of each other's animals), you have to 

 remember that those two groups, as far as we can tell, cover only 

 about 60 percent of the facilities out there that are holding marine 

 mammals. That means that 40 percent of the facilities are not cov- 

 ered. You would assume that the facilities that are members of 

 these two organizations are the best and are not likely to be irre- 

 sponsible or in danger of bankruptcy. The 40% who are don't have 

 the same backup. 



Mr. Saxton. I realize that I am almost out of time, so let me just 

 ask Mr. Jenkins if he would like to comment before I run out of 

 time. 



Mr. Jenkins. Congressman, we do not believe that there is any 

 need for a surety bond or any similar arrangement to provide for 

 these animals. As Dr. Foster indicated, on both occasions it was 

 members of the marine mammal public display community that 

 stepped in and in a sense if you would, rescued, found new homes 

 and transported those animals to those homes at their own ex- 

 pense. This is an obligation that we in the Alliance and the AZA 

 take very deeply. It is an indication of the animal care and the 

 level of commitment that we make to the animals that are in our 

 collections. We are prepared to continue doing this in the future. 

 Because of that, we do not see any need for a surety bond or any 

 similar arrangement. 



Mr. Saxton. Mr. Chairman, may I just to finish, ask anybody 

 who may want to respond what the cost of such a surety bond 

 might be? I don't know. 



Mr. Studds. Preferably in numbers rather than words. 



Mr. Jenkins. Excuse me, I can find that out, just a minute. Ac- 

 cording to a cost analysis that we did on the regulations that were 

 published in October, it would cost $500 without collateral. 



Mr. Studds. I thank the gentleman. The gentleman from Alaska. 



Mr. Young. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will pursue the ques- 

 tion that Mr. Saxton began to ask at a later date, but Mollie, I 

 have some questions for you. You mentioned several proposals that 

 you are developing that would relate to the marine mammals in 

 Alaska. I have a copy of the Marine Mammal bill as prepared by 

 the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in Alaska which refers to these 

 topics. Are these the proposals that you are suggesting? 



Ms. BEATTIE. I don't know what document you have, Congress- 

 man. Our proposed amendments have not been finalized out of the 

 Department of the Interior. 



Mr. Young. You have not seen anything from the Alaska region 

 of the Fish and Wildlife Service? 



Ms. Beattie. No, I have not. 



Mr. YOUNG. Well, someone is not communicating then. Second, 

 you state the marine mammal populations in Alaska are healthy, 

 you state you want to work with the Alaska natives; you just heard 

 Caleb say that you had not communicated with him on your sug- 

 gestions. Then you go on to ask for new authority to develop sub- 



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