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ate what is coming out of the Timber Summit, the ecosystem ap- 

 proach, the strong mandate from the administration for the Feder- 

 al agencies to be working together. There is no turf. 



The issue is too big for any one agency to simply declare turf and 

 declare that we won't work together. Fish and Wildlife and the 

 Service have split up even the restoration and the consultation 

 process because we need each other, and we must do that, and we 

 need the tribes and the States, and the one drawback thus far has 

 been that the consultation process has excluded, because it is a 

 Federal process, outside participation, and we intend to address 

 that and are working on that right now, while we await a recovery 

 plan. I think it, too, will address who should have leadership. We 

 simply need a tie-breaker, someone to listen to all and say now 

 let's make a decision and move forward. 



Thank you. 



Chairman Studds. In fairness, Mr. Plenert, briefly go ahead. 



Mr. Plenert. I will also be very brief, Mr. Chairman. I don't be- 

 lieve we need to create a new agency or a salmon czar for this diffi- 

 cult issue or to accomplish what we need to do. I think Rollie 

 touched on it very succinctly that agencies need to work together. 



We all know kind of what our mandates are, and we need to 

 work together with everybody to turn this thing around. It is not a 

 salmon issue, it is not an owl issue. We are looking at an ecosys- 

 tem, an environment issue. There is no question about that. 



Every one of the people represented here, the Forest Service, and 

 the Bureau of Land Management that manage rather large hold- 

 ings know that, and I personally see that as a result of the Forest 

 Conference, a complete turnaround in working together with other 

 agencies. In fact, it is mandated to all of us, and I was even told if 

 any of us choose not to do that, we may want to find employment 

 elsewhere. It is kind of like that, but I see that this thing is work- 

 able. 



The Fish and Wildlife Service has stepped forward with regard to 

 restoration. There are bits and pieces of restoration going on all 

 along the coast. We need to pull it together, put together a data 

 base, and so that we all are pulling in the same direction, and that 

 is possible with the support of this committee, it is possible, and I 

 think we can get there. 



Thank you. 



Chairman Studds. I appreciate that. It is nice to hear the reflec- 

 tion of the orders of the new Secretary, a very real change. 



The gentleman from New York. 



Mr. Manton. I thank the Chairman. 



I was just doodling a bit during the respective presentations, and 

 throughout all the testimony the words "ecosystem approach" 

 versus "single species approach", watersheds, regional approach, 

 kept coming up. Everybody seems to be on the same wavelength. I 

 think that is important. 



The Chairman has already raised the issue so I won't beg the 

 question about whether we need someone or some agency or some 

 czar or salmon king, whatever we want to call that person, to co- 

 ordinate our salmon restoration efforts. But, aside from that global 

 approach, which I think we are pointed toward, whether that re- 

 quires legislation or executive order or a combination, something 



