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just glad all of you could take time from the recess to be in Port- 

 land. 



[The statement of Mr. Wyden may be found at end of hearing.] 



Chairman Studds. If there is any more praise you would like to 

 scatter about, you certainly can have more time. 



Mr. Wyden. I tried to cover you all. 



Chairman Studds. We thank you very, very much. 



This committee, as you know, has reported out the National Bio- 

 logical Survey legislation requested by the Secretary of the Interi- 

 or, and we hope it will become law shortly. I hope you stay with us 

 as long as you can. 



We are going to go to our first panel. I am going to ask all six 

 members of that panel to come up at the same time. 



While you are arranging yourselves as quickly as possible, I will 

 describe the ground rules here. I might just observe that we have 

 more Members of Congress here than we normally do in the other 

 Washington. Maybe it is the weather. 



Why is it that you people from Seattle and Portland are always 

 so conscious about one another's weather? I don't understand. We 

 are going to treat you as a single panel. We have six chairs. I hope 

 you are all friends. 



I don't know if the staff has described to you the brutality with 

 which we proceed in these instances, but let me just say what we 

 do, the lights you see in front of you, we are going to ask you to 

 confine your oral presentation to no more than five minutes. 



Your written presentations, many of which are substantially 

 longer and very helpful, will appear in their entirety in the record. 

 The future historians will have no idea of how much of them you 

 did or did not read. It is not easy, I know, in a matter of this com- 

 plexity in which feelings are so high to confine yourself to five min- 

 utes, but we have to do that. 



When the yellow light goes on, it means you have one minute 

 left, right here in front of you. When the red light goes on, it 

 means you are done. We do apologize for that. 



This is a device developed in the other Washington because of 

 the necessity of accommodating many people who wish to talk. We 

 will hear each of your testimony, then we will go to questions from 

 members of the committee. 



We will begin with Mr. John Lowe, Regional Forester for the Pa- 

 cific Northwest Region of the U.S. Forest Service. 



Mr. Lowe. 



STATEMENT OF JOHN LOWE, REGIONAL FORESTER, PACIFIC 

 NORTHWEST REGION, U.S. FOREST SERVICE, ACCOMPANIED BY 

 JAMES SEDELL, RESEARCH SCIENTIST, FOREST SCIENCE LAB- 

 ORATORY, CORVALLIS, OREGON, AND GORDON HAUGEN, CO- 

 LUMBIA BASIN/PACFISH COORDINATOR 



Mr. Lowe. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, thank 

 you for the opportunity to offer our views on the conditions that 

 have caused the decline of Pacific salmon stocks. I would also like 

 to state that the Soil Conservation Service has asked me to note 

 that they have submitted their testimony in writing to you. 



