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I think the fishermen should start to look at this, too. I am not 

 using 50, I am just using that as a number in the sense that we 

 have got to get some continuity into this system or we are going to 

 be here every year sitting before this panel, other panels arguing 

 amongst ourselves, et cetera, and I think an ITQ system, because 

 we will catch the fish when we are going to market it, I am not 

 going to catch it in January if I can't sell it until December, it is as 

 simple as that. 



You will get a lot more market driven and you will get more re- 

 covery out of that fish because you are going to take every piece of 

 that flesh rather than just running the volume through because 

 you know the gun is going to go off in 32 days. It changes the 

 whole economics of the ball game, and I think we should definitely 

 look at that. 



Mr. Looney. On the question of market-driven decision marking 

 process, I think it can be expanded beyond just the scope of ITQs. 

 One of the things we have to keep in mind with fisheries, and lest 

 no one ever lose sight of it, we are in a global economy, and that as 

 it exists today, almost universally, we are regulating to the lowest 

 common denominator. 



We are regulating inefficiency traditionally as what we cloak as 

 traditional management tools. With the emergence of the former 

 Soviet Union, their tremendous resources and et cetera that we 

 need to consider the fact that we are— if we look at these solutions 

 from a micro standpoint and micro economics, we may get done 

 squabbling and look over our shoulder and find out there really is 

 nothing left to fight about economically. 



Mr. Manton. The gentleman's time has expired. Our last ques- 

 tioner will be our hostess, Ms. Furse, with apologies to Ms. 

 Cantwell and Mr. Hamburg. I am getting a signal from the back. I 

 will try to make it up to you in Seattle. 



Ms. Furse. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



First, I would like to ask if I could have unanimous consent to 

 introduce Congressman Mike Kopetski's statement, another 

 member from Oregon with a very thoughtful statement. 



Mr. Manton. Without objection, so ordered. 



[The statement of Mr. Kopetski may be found at end of hearing.] 



Ms. Furse. Thank you, and also Congressman Young from 

 Alaska. Thank you. 



Mr. Manton. Without objection. 



[The statement of Mr. Young follows:] 



Statement of Hon. Don Young, a U.S. Representative from Alaska, and 

 Ranking Minority Member, Subcommittee on Fisheries Management 



Mr. Chairman, I think we should all thank our colleagues from Oregon and Wash- 

 ington for inviting us here today to get a look at issues affecting the fishing indus- 

 try on the West Coast. It is always helpful for Members to see firsthand the prob- 

 lems that are faced by our fellow Americans who often can't come back to Washing- 

 ton, D.C. 



Since the Committee will be meeting in Alaska in another couple of days to dis- 

 cuss the Magnuson Act, I will not comment on that topic here. However, I would 

 like to say a few words about the Pacific salmon fisheries. 



You will undoubtedly hear a great deal about the problems that beset Pacific 

 salmon here in Oregon and across the river in the State of Washington. Salmon re- 

 turning to the Columbia River and its drainage certainly face a number of obstacles. 

 They are caught by fishermen, eaten by marine mammals, must swim over dams, 



