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Now, we achieved that 10 years ago. That was one of the reasons 

 we were able to get this Treaty. I should mention at this time that 

 my role was strictly that of a political hand-holder. I had a Cana- 

 dian counterpart who was assigned to this task by the Prime Min- 

 ister, Mr. Mitchell Sharp, who was a senior statesman in Canadian 

 circles, a former Minister of External Affairs of Canada. And by the 

 way, I should add, he was a Liberal and he was designated by the 

 Tory Government for this assignment because they, on their side, 

 wanted to be above partisan politics. We managed on our side to 

 be above any partisanship. There is enough trouble trying to get 

 Alaskans and State of Washington fishermen to chat amiably after 

 a few beers at the bar. We kept politics out of this completely. 



The technical work and the real expertise that went into the allo- 

 cation of the salmon resources were really the result of three very, 

 very dedicated officials, Mr. Ted Kronmiller, who at one time had 

 been, I understand, a staffer of this Committee and had extensive 

 assignments at the State Department; Dave Colson, who is still at 

 the State Department and has the institutional memory, and a 

 young lady I must mention, Joy Yamagita, a lawyer at the time in 

 the Department of State. They were the three who wrestled with 

 ail the details, while it was my assignment to see that we met with 

 every group of fishermen in the three States, Oregon, Washington, 

 and Alaska. 



In fact, we even met with Idaho interests. And we finally man- 

 aged to get a U.S. consensus. And whenever the Canadians would 

 make a demand, no matter how small it was, we would go back 

 and clear with the U.S. participants before we went forward. 



We did everything up front, everything direct, and as a result, 

 in the end, we were able to get this Treaty. All of the fishermen 

 involved, of all types, were able to convey to their Senate Members 

 their approval. We had an easy time at the time we presented the 

 Treaty for ratification. 



That is the history. Madam Chairman. 



[The statement of Mr. Derwinski can be found at the end of the 

 hearing.] 



Mrs. Unsoeld. Thank you. I believe I probably have some more 

 questions for you later. 



Mr. Meacham. 



STATEMENT OF CHARLES P. MEACHAM, DEPUTY 

 COMMISSIONER, ALASKA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME 



Mr. Meacham. Thank you. Madam Chairman. 



My name is Chuck Meacham. I am Alaska's Commissioner for 

 the Pacific Salmon Commission and Deputy Commissioner for the 

 Alaska Department of Fish and Game. I have been a biologist with 

 the Department for over 20 years now. 



Previous to that, I commercial fished for four years, worked with 

 the fish processing industry for three years, was a seafood inspec- 

 tor with the military for three years and a lifelong sports fisher- 

 man, as well. I do hold a life membership with the American Fish- 

 ery Society and am a member of the American Institute of Fish- 

 eries Research Biologists. 



I am here today to testify on the Pacific Salmon Treaty and ap- 

 preciate the opportunity you provided me to do so. 



