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Mr. Turner. I do follow what you are trying to say. And not only 

 do I disagree with it, I could turn that back around and suggest 

 to you that is exactly what happens today, because you have no po- 

 sition that is agreed to by any commissioner. 



Practical reality is that in today's world, we rarely get into nego- 

 tiations with Canada because we don't have any U.S. position from 

 which to negotiate. The proposal that we have put forward is de- 

 signed to establish that position. 



Mr. Young. But is it established from somebody from Washing- 

 ton, DC As soon as Canada finds that out, they are going to ignore 

 you totally. They are going to go back to Washington, DC. 



If you want to do that, that is fine. But I don't want to do that. 



Mr. Turner. Our proposal gives us, the three commissioners, 

 every opportunity to formulate our own position before the United 

 States steps in. It does not remove the opportunity that exists 

 today for the three of us standing here to reach a consensus posi- 

 tion. 



Mr. Young. I understand that. Excuse me, Madam Chairman. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. You may have to wait for your second round. 



Mr. Young. I will finish it up. 



But if I am a negotiator and I am negotiating with the Chairman 

 here and I find out that my good friend from California has priority 

 over her because we can't reach a decision, OK, we can't reach a 

 decision, that person there makes the position that is taken by the 

 Federal Government. 



The Canadian Government knows that and they are going to ne- 

 gotiate in good faith with us. They have no desire to do so. If they 

 had a desire to do it, we wouldn't be in the problem we are today. 



I am just saying, we can't make Canada do anything, really, in 

 reality, when it comes to this. 



Mr. Turner. How does Canada know where our position came 

 from in your scenario? 



Mr. Young. In your position, you said 



Mr. Turner. Why do they know anything that I have just de- 

 scribed? 



Mr. Young. If you can't make a decision, you have asked me to 

 make a decision at the Federal level. 



Mr. Turner. Today, Canada doesn't know how we come to an 

 agreement on a position, nor would they necessarily afterwards, 

 nor do we know how Canada arrives at its position. 



Mr. Young. By the way, Canada has a great embassy here and 

 they know most everything that is going on. They are in the room 

 right now. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. Thank you. 



Dr. Matlock, your testimony points out another aspect of this 

 same question. And under the implementing legislation, you de- 

 scribed your role as conciliatory. How do you respond to what Mr. 

 Turner and Mr. James were suggesting as a way out on this? And 

 are you aware of any other instance where the Federal Government 

 has sort of delegated all of its responsibilities to regional interests? 



Dr. Matlock. The second question is easier to answer, so I will 

 try it first and then do the first one. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. Fine. 



