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Dr. Matlock. The only one that I am aware of is the Klamath 

 Fishery Management Council. It is not an international setting, it 

 is purely domestic. But there is a council that has been created by 

 Federal law that has a consensus requirement in order to reach de- 

 cisions on allocation of salmon coming from the Klamath River. I 

 don't know of any others beyond that one. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. Doesn't the Federal Government have to approve 

 the final decision before it goes into effect in that instance? 



Dr. Matlock. No, ma'am, I don't believe so. The EQamath Coun- 

 cil makes a recommendation to the Pacific Fishery Management 

 Council. The Federal Government then approves or disapproves or 

 modifies the recommendations coming from the Pacific Council. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. So the Federal Government has to approve it be- 

 fore it is final? 



Dr. Matlock. Yes, ma'am. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. OK. 



Dr. Matlock. OK. I have not seen, in response to the first part 

 of your question, the proposed language that both Mr. Turner and 

 Mr. James spoke of, so I don't have a response relative to the par- 

 ticulars of that, at this point. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. If you have the statement by Mr. James, it is the 

 last page. 



Dr. Matlock. I am sorry, I don't have that either. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. Perhaps somebody on the staff could at least get 

 it into his hands. 



There we go. 



We will come back to you on that question then, because I would 

 like to get your answer on that, so either this round or the next 

 one, I will ask you about it. 



Dr. Matlock. All right. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. How does this conciliatory role, as you described 

 it, allow you to fulfill your obligation as stewards of the salmon re- 

 sources? 



Dr. Matlock. Probably in the case of any situation where you 

 are assisting in negotiations or the development of a position, the 

 ability to carry out a mission is dependent upon how well you are 

 able to conduct that activity of negotiating or getting people to 

 come to agreement. It also depends upon the individuals involved 

 and whether or not they are interested in and willing to, and have 

 the ability to reach agreement among themselves. So it is depend- 

 ent upon both our abilities, as well as the people who are making 

 the decisions. 



It has, as I think some of the testimony indicated in the past, 

 resulted in there being agreements, or at least some agreements 

 reached. So we have had some success. However, the success has 

 not been complete nor total. So obviously, the abilities of both of 

 the parties involved have not been complete. We have, though, 

 been able to accomplish some things. The current situation in 1994, 

 we have used the ability to facilitate in the interactions between 

 Canada and the United States directly in the past few months, and 

 are continuing that directly with the Pacific Salmon Commission, 

 to try to do what we can from our role under Federal law to see 

 if we can't get people to reach some agreement, people who actually 

 are involved in making the decisions. 



