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from a country that has acted as Canada apparently has acted in 

 this situation. Do you know if the State Department is going to 

 practice that part of the Magnuson Act, and if so, when, and if not, 

 why not? 



Dr. Matlock. If I may, Mr. John Bauman is here from the State 

 Department and he probably can give you the most accurate and 

 up-to-date information in response to your question, much more so 

 than I, so if it is agreeable to you, I would prefer to let him answer 

 the question. 



Mr. Kingston. Smart move in Washington. 



Madam Chairman, may I ask that question of him right now? 



Mrs. Unsoeld. Without objection. 



Mr. Bauman. I can confirm that 



Mrs. Unsoeld. Would you identify yourself for the record. 



Mr. Bauman. My name is John Bauman, from the Office of Cana- 

 dian Affairs at the Department of State, and I can confirm that the 

 Department of State is giving serious consideration to the applica- 

 bility of Section 205 of the Magnuson Act in the present cir- 

 cumstances. 



Mr. Kingston. It is just like the serious consideration we are 

 doing in some of the other negotiations with Canada where we just 

 seem to talk and talk and talk. 



Mr. Bauman. No, sir. This is the serious consideration that was 

 reflected in the fact that R. J. Marsh was delivered to the Canadi- 

 ans within, I believe, nine hours of the time that the vessels were 

 seized. 



Mr. Kingston. Let me ask you this. I am really not trying to 

 pick on you, but since the Magnuson Act requires this under Sec- 

 tion 204, am I correct in interpreting your response to say that you 

 are seriously considering following the law? I know that is kind of 

 a snotty way to phrase it, but I would just like to know. 



Mr. Bauman. It is Section 205, and yes, we are seriously consid- 

 ering the applicability of this section of the Magnuson Act. 



Mr. Kingston. Which may or may not apply. 



OK. Let me ask you another question now, and I appreciate that. 

 The question on the Treaty with Canada on salmon, are they doing 

 their fair share? Are they doing enough conservation? Are they 

 doing enough to preserve the Fraser River, and I think 



Mr. Bauman. May I lateral on this question? 



Mr. Kingston. They did it to you. Why not? 



Mr. Bauman. My colleague from the Bureau of Oceans and Inter- 

 national Environmental and Scientific Affairs is here, Mr. Greg 

 Burton who is the Deputy who is a Federal member of the Pacific 

 Salmon Commission, David Coals, and if I could turn it over to 

 him. 



Mr. Kingston. Madam Chair, is that OK? That was not my in- 

 tention, but 



Mrs. Unsoeld. It is your five minutes, and when it is over, it is 

 over. 



Mr. Burton. My name is Greg Burton with the Department of 

 State, Bureau of Oceans and Environmental Science. 



Mrs. Unsoeld. Would you speak closer in the mike. 



Mr. Burton. Greg Burton, with the Department of State. 



I am sorry, could you repeat the question, sir? 



