some restraint on a very positive thing with a lot of information be- 

 fore we go out and mess something up. 



I recall when I was speaker of the Utah house and the Governor 

 of the State was a man by the name of Scott Mathison. And he 

 came up and said, I'd like you guys to pass a law that we don't 

 allow any more eggheads from the academic community to come in 

 here and tell us what is an endangered species, because they are 

 ruining a part of our State; and I think they are wrong, and it is 

 so easy to get them listed and hard to get them off. 



I worry about the endangered species law. We have seen very lit- 

 tle that have gotten off the list. No disrespect to any particular en- 

 tity here. I would hope that we move with a sensitive approach and 

 not be eager to point a finger and say that they are wrong, and do 

 something that would ruin an industry. 



Prices of houses are going up $3,000 to $4,000 a house because 

 of the lumber prices. In the little State of Utah we have Kaibab In- 

 dustries in the Dixie Forest that have closed up. Every time they 

 ask for a contract, some environmental group comes up with a 29- 

 cent appeal. All it costs is a stamp on an envelope and something 

 written on the back of it. And I think if we are going to look at 

 something, we ought to look at that. 



Thank you for allowing me to vent my emotions on that. 



Mr. Vento. The way you were going, I thought you were going 

 to blame the fishermen. 



Any other opening comments? 



STATEMENT OF HON. KEN CALVERT, A U.S. REPRESENTATIVE 

 FROM THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA 



Mr. Calvert. The issue which we are meeting today is a complex 

 one, and in the best economic times, it would be difficult to balance 

 the interests of salmon fishermen, home builders, home buyers, the 

 spotted owl and numerous fish species. With the economy in the 

 shape that it is, the issue becomes even more difficult. 



As a congressman from California whose district has nearly 10 

 percent unemployment, I must confess that my sympathies are 

 with those people who need jobs. While I recognize the importance 

 of protecting species, I hope we can find ways of doing it without 

 throwing hundreds of thousands of workers out of work. 



I certainly have no objections to reviewing past management 

 practices of any type. The management of every Federal agency 

 and committee, in my opinion, could stand a good review; but I 

 hope those from whom we will hear today will include, along with 

 their ideas of protecting the salmon, some ideas of how to protect 

 and create jobs for the American worker. As an elected representa- 

 tive of the people, I believe we have an obligation to protect jobs 

 as well as species of fish. 



Mr. Vento. We are pleased to welcome our colleague from Wash- 

 ington, a good friend and classmate of the chairman. Congressman 

 Norm Dicks. 



