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law. So if we could work toward prelisting and working with other 

 agencies, where we have a flexibility 



Mr, Dicks. Or prevent listing. 



Mr. Calvert. When I say prelist, I would hope that it would 

 never make the list; but species that are threatened at the present 

 time, that we could talk about shared habitat planning, and work- 

 ing towards assuring that those species never make the endan- 

 gered species list. And I would hope that we could work toward 

 that and work with the local agencies. We sometimes are better 

 able to coordinate species protection. 



Mr. Dicks. We have started a little program in Washington 

 called the Washington State Ecosystems Project, which is being co- 

 ordinated by the Fish and Wildlife Service and our State depart- 

 ment of wildlife. We are going out and restoring habitat, buying 

 habitat, leasing habitat, getting farmers to voluntarily contribute 

 habitat; and I think we have restored 270,000 acres so far. 



The curve is still coming down, because there is so much develop- 

 ment and growth that we are at the same time losing habitat, so 

 it is a tough problem, especially in a big State like California. But 

 I think you have to do it on a regional approach within the State 

 of California. 



Mr. Calvert. I agree, and I look forward to working with you 

 and other people on this committee toward that. 



Mr. Dicks. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to working 

 with you. 



Mr. Vento. Thank you very much. You are welcome to stay. 



Mr. Vento. We are pleased to welcome the panel of administra- 

 tion witnesses, George Leonard, a long-time Associate Chief of the 

 Forest Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture. He is accompanied 

 by the scientists in the Service, Dr. James Sedell and Dr. Frederick 

 Swanson, from the Pacific Northwest Forest and Range Experi- 

 ment Station in Corvallis, Oregon. 



We have Mike Penfold, the Associate Director of the Bureau of 

 Land Management, Department of Interior. He is accompanied by 

 Science Advisor, Mr. Jack Williams. 



And we have Dr. Michael Tillman, the Acting Director of the Of- 

 fice of Protected Resources, Marine Fisheries Service, National Oce- 

 anic and Atmospheric Administration, United States Department of 

 Commerce, accompanied by Nicholas ladanza, Northwest Region, 

 Portland, Oregon. And I see no objection raised at this point, so I 

 assume he wouldn't correct me if he wanted to. 



And finally we are pleased to welcome Mr. Gary Edwards, Assist- 

 ant Director of Fisheries, United States Department of Interior. 



I might say, before I invite you to participate, I note that your 

 statements are present, and if you can summarize them, based on 

 what we have to do today and the expectation of votes, it would be 

 helpful; and I would appreciate that. And then we can get into dia- 

 logue to highlight the most important points relevant to land man- 

 agement and the impact on these critical populations. 



Yesterday, in visiting with the President — those few of us that 

 were invited, and I know that that list will be broadened as we 

 move towards solution of the problem to all of our colleagues on the 

 committee — I think that this administration very much is going to 

 engage with the Members of Congress in terms of trying to find a 



