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the Department of Resource Management Plans to strengthen 

 them. We have public comments that we are evaluating now to see 

 how these draft plans can be strengthened. We are working with 

 the U.S. Forest Service on strategic plans much in the vision that 

 Mr. DeFazio indicated, to provide a more comprehensive umbrella 

 and direction for our planning activities on these critical water- 

 sheds. 



Mr. Vento. Mr. Penfold, you are in the same cycle and the same 

 umbrella in terms of looking to resolution in the interagency or 

 interagency groups that are working, and we are bringing this to 

 the table as we attempt to craft a final policy for, I guess, this 

 western slope or at least a policy for the 1990s for this slope, west- 

 em slope forests. 



Does it fit within the recommendations of the Gang of Four? I 

 mean this is more specific, if I understand. I hope that it is more 

 specific than the Gang of Four recommendation; but does it fit 

 within the parameters of what they are suggesting we do in terms 

 of watersheds? 



Mr. Penfold. What I think we are going to see is, at the Forest 

 Conference, we will be taking a comprehensive look, with all the 

 agencies, including Fish and Wildlife Service, Forest Service, and 

 BLM scientists, at all of the different planning documents and re- 

 ports that have been produced so far. 



Mr. Vento. What I am suggesting is that, for instance, they are 

 talking about the rotation lengths, and they are talking about other 

 factors within that area. This is more specific in terms of how it 

 could be applied within that framework; is that correct? 



Mr. Penfold. What you can expect to see is carefully coordi- 

 nated, final recommendations coming out of that forest conference. 



Mr. Vento. How about you? Do you want to attach yourself to 

 the Gang of Four, Mr. Leonard, or avoid it? 



Mr. Leonard. The Gang of Four didn't specifically make any rec- 

 ommendations. They came up with a series of alternatives, and I 

 think the solution that is going to come up is within there and cor- 

 related. 



Mr. Vento. I didn't say that anyone is making decisions. You 

 don't make any decisions either. I guess we hope you will make 

 some. 



Mr. Leonard. Particularly in the fisheries area. The scientists 

 that had the input into the Gang of Four are very much ^ 



Mr. Vento. I wanted you to say, yes, it correlates. That's what 

 I wanted you to say. 



Mr. Leonard. It correlates. 



Mr. Vento. Mr. Penfold still hasn't said that. 



Mr. DeFazio. Just to follow up with Mr. Leonard and the Pac- 

 fish, I am curious, the Gang of Four, the American Fisheries Soci- 

 ety Review, certified 137 key watersheds; in varying degrees of im- 

 portance, but being key generally. Is Pac-fish reviewing on those 

 same terms? Do you accept those 137 watersheds? 



And what are you doing in reviewing those with Pac-fish, I guess 

 is my question? 



Mr. Leonard. Let me ask Dr. Sedell. 



Dr. Sedell. Those have been reevaluated in the case of Califor- 

 nia. Some of those have been added; some have been dropped. We 



