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Mr. Archie. I can put it in terms of a crew size probability for 

 you, if you want me to break it down. 



Mr. Hamburg. OK. 



Mr. Archie. A crew of six or eight participants is probably 

 $150,000. 



Mr. Hamburg. You said six to eight. 



Mr. Archie. Six to eight participants is probably $150,000 for 

 the entire year. 



Mr. Hamburg. For the whole year. 



Mr. Archie. Yes, and that is working, education and experience. 



Mr. Hamburg. Has there been an attempt to put value on the 

 work done by those people for that amount of investment of tax- 

 payer dollars? 



Mr. Archie. Being a front runner on creek restoration, I do re- 

 ports where I have to break down Corps member hours in terms 

 of how many hours we put on building crib walls for the creek for 

 DWR, so I am pretty sure there is a breakdown that I could com- 

 ment on just the creeks, because I have to break those hours down 

 and submit them to DWR on a monthly basis. And we are usually 

 putting in 500, 600 some hours based on that money. 



Mr. Hamburg. I would venture that the taxpayers get a very 

 good deal on these kinds of programs from my vantage point. 



Congresswoman Furse asked if these are dead-end jobs and you 

 talked about people getting their GED's and being able to move on. 

 Do you have any stories you could tell, very briefly, about people 

 who have moved from Corps experience to other jobs in the re- 

 sources area? 



Mr. Archie. Yes. In particular, when we first started on Vicente 

 Creek, it was a little over a year and a half ago. I had two Corps 

 members on that particular crew. And the Vicente Creek, if you 

 guys remember the fire storm in the Oakland area, the first phase 

 of that project was to go in and remove all the burned, dead trees 

 and a lot of debris. 



There were two Corps members that specialized in tree fallings 

 that were going in to do the restoration. They are employed by the 

 city of Oakland now. So they went from $4.25 to $17 and $18 an 

 hour, and they have been there for two years. And we were looking 

 at possibly some of our members being hired within the next couple 

 of months. 



Mr. Hamburg. I want to say I am a big supporter of the Con- 

 servation Corps and anything that we can do at the Federal level 

 to enhance that program and encourage that program and pro- 

 grams like it throughout the country. I think it is a very excellent 

 investment of tax dollars. Thanks. 



Ms. Furse. I want to thank the witnesses for coming a long way 

 and for their dedication to the streams and waterways of this coun- 

 try. The hearing is adjourned. 



[Whereupon, at 12:05 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned, 

 and the following was submitted for the record:] 



