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This is a duplication of authorization rather than responsibility in- 

 sofar as the coastal United States and territories are concerned. 



We have also always had close coordination to see that there is no 

 duplication of effort. 



I fail to see why, with the committees that will be set up to adminis- 

 ter the oceanographic phase of this bill, there will be any duplication. 



After all, the oceans of the world are so big, as pointed out by Dr. 

 Revelle, that there is plenty of room that we can all operate and, as 

 long as we know where the other man is operating, there will be no 

 duplication of effort and this coordinating committee will see to that. 



Mr. Oliver. Thank you very much. Admiral. 



I have nothing further, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Counsel ? 



Mr. Drewry. Admiral Karo, you mentioned that there would not 

 be any duplication. Have you had difficulties in the past stemming 

 from the concept that your capabilities were not specifically author- 

 ized to go beyond the coastal waters ? For instance, with the capabil- 

 ity that the Coast Survey has, undoubtedly you have been called on 

 in connection with Arctic programs and other things. 



Have you encountered any difficulty in making yourself available 

 to those projects ? 



Admiral Karo. Well, we have particularly in the Antarctic. We 

 have been asked to take on certain pliases of tliat. We turned it down. 

 We have had refusal on some other areas, not oceanography, when 

 we wanted to go afield and the Budget Bureau has not approved it 

 because of this gray area. 



It is a matter of removing doubt as to where we can operate in the 

 national interest in case it is required. 



Also, I might mention here, that I believe some mention was made 

 in the report on the other committee about an understanding between 

 the Coast Survey and the Defense Department which would allow 

 Defense to use this as necessary, but I also would like to quote that 

 this memorandum agreement says, "Within the limitations of the 

 Coast and Geodetic Sui*\^ey Enabling Act of 1947,'- which, if you take 

 the narrow interpretation, would not allow us to do the work required 

 in the national interest. 



Mr. Drewry. So that, aside from the questions of whether this 

 will bring about any duplication, it actually will bring about in- 

 creased efficiency in your operations. 



Admiral Ivaro. That is our expectation, yes, sir. 



Mr. Drewry. And avoid steps and arrangements that otherwise 

 would be time consuming that you would have to go through ? 



Admiral Karo. That is correct. 



Mr. Drewry. I have just one more question. 



In the other bill, the one concerning tlie crews of vessels, those are 

 the crews of what vessels ? 



Admiral Karo. Our ships. 



Mr. Drewry. It applies only to your ships ? 



Admiral Karo. That is correct, sir. 



Mr. Drewry. Would it apply in case of survey work which might 

 be done on an incidental basis by other ships ^ Is that contemplated? 



Admiral Karo. No, this is strictly our own authorization where 

 ■each year we have to include in our appropriation language author- 

 ity to pay, shall we say, the recordei"S and instnunent men, people we 



