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Mr. Wakelin". I can speak to that part, Mr. Bauer, which did not 

 survive in the budget reviews. The subcommittee recommended of 

 the order of $120 million for the national program in oceanography. 

 In the difference between the two, I have a total of 119.1, but there is 

 another million dollars which should be corrected in my estimate here. 

 In the research area we were down by $9 million and in the ships 

 area, which is ship construction, we were down $40.2 million, and in 

 the facilities area we were dovra $10.2 million as a difference between 

 the subcommittee's recommendations and the actual budget as sub- 

 mitted by the President. 



Mr. Bauer. I am trying to bring out the question of how you feel 

 now, sir, about the motivation for the expenditure of monej^ for 

 oceanography. Is it correct that the first motivation is national 

 defense ? 



Mr. Wakelin. On the Navy's part ; yes. 



Mr. Bauer. If there were a limited amount of dollai's in the econ- 

 omy, would you not say that oceanography should have a first motiva- 

 tion nationally in order of priority ? 



Mr. Wakelin. I am not sure that I would answer it that way. 

 I think oceanography is one part of our total scientific effort. Cer- 

 tainly there are other important fields in which we must remain pre- 

 eminent. There are fields in chemistrj^, there are fields in physics, 

 there are fields in engineering which we must foster in the same way. 



I would certainly think tlie high energy physics program should 

 continue with the support it has had. 



There are a great many problems m biology that should have basic 

 research and applied research sponsorship. 



I think perhaps in answer to your question, the reason this pro- 

 gram here of $55.7 million is below the subcommittee's reconunenda- 

 tion is that certainly in the Navy the ships for oceanographic research 

 have to compete with militaiy vessels of the line, and, in balancing 

 out on a level budget between last year and this year, we have to 

 apportion the priorities among those in the total Navy budget that 

 we think should have the emphasis. 



Mr. Bauer. Well, with respect to priority again, I hate to keep 

 repeating myself, but it seems to me that one might consider this 

 ratio of $24 million for militaiy oceanogi-aphy and $55.7 for nonmili- 

 tary oceanography as somewhat out of line m view of what we 

 read in the newspapers. 



Mr. Wakelin. We are talking about the total program. 



The Navy's program in oceanography in fiscal year 1961, apart 

 from military surveys and research, is $22.9 million. Our military 

 effort is $24 million. 



Mr. Bauer. That is true, but on this integration of Commerce 

 with the Coast and Geodetic Sui-vey of $13 million, and the Depart- 

 ment of Interior are in the ocean survey picture. All of that gives 

 you military information, does it not? 



Mr. Wakelin. It gives us scientific information which certainly 

 has military significance directly or indirectly, yes. 



Mr. Bauer. What did you say the second motivation for an 

 oceanographic survey program should be, perhaps fisheries? 



Mr. Wakelin. I think there are several other motivations, sir. 



Mr. Bauer. I am just trying to get the priorities. 



