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Mr. Bauer. Admiral, do you think that we are exerting enough 

 effort in the ocean surveys from the point of view of the military ? 



Admiral Hayward. Well, my answer to that would be "No, sir." 

 We should do more. 



Mr. Bauer. How much more ? 



Admiral Hayward. Well, to give you an order of magnitude, I 

 would say at least twice what we are doing now, but you must remem- 

 ber, sir, that, as I said, once again it has to compete with the rest of 

 the tasks we have to do. 



Mr. Bauer. True. 



Admiral Hayward. And this amount of surveying which we are 

 doing, which is, rouglily, on the militaiy side, $14 million, is what we 

 felt was the best balance for the program. 



Mr. Bauer. The question was leading to whether or not perhaps the 

 Indian Ocean would dilute our military efforts. 



Admiral Hayw^ard. No, sir. Any information you get on these 

 remote places in the world can aid and assist us from a military point 

 of view. There is no question in our minds that your temperature, 

 all of the rest of the information, has some spinoff to the military, 

 particularly to our operations, weather, everything, so that it is pretty 

 hard. 



This is one of those areas where basic research may give us some 

 very interesting indications about sonar conditions in the Indian Ocean 

 which may help us tremendously, so that it is pretty hard to say that 

 you are not doing it specifically from a militaiy point of view. 



We are going to get something out of it, I am sure, and I do not 

 think it is going to dilute our efforts. 



Mr. Bauer. That is all I have. 



Mr. Miller. There are some good reasons why the Indian Ocean 

 should be investigated, are there not, as a place where we can look to 

 try to solve some of the secrets of the weather and heat transference ? 

 That is rather iitspoi-tant in the Pacific in time of war, is it not? 

 Maybe Tiros will give it to us, but in the meantime we have to get it 

 where we can. 



Admiral Hayward. That is correct, Mr. Chairman. It can ^ive us 

 a lot of information. It is like a lot of research; you are going to 

 increase your knowledge. And we need this. 



Mr. Miller. One of the things which has disturbed me is that when 

 I was out to Scripps last year, with Mr. Pelly and Mr. Bauer, the 

 very amiable director showed us a globe which brought out the areas 

 of the ocean that were blank as far as any type of research is con- 

 cerned, and if the oceans constitute 71 percent of the earth's areas, 

 as I see the picture in my mind's eye, there is more than 60 percent 

 of that 71 percent that we know nothing about. 



Admiral Hayward. That is correct. Five percent has been 

 surveyed. 



Mr. Miller. It has been inadequately surveyed, but this other great 

 portion of it is just a blank. That is the thing that concema me. 

 Until we begin to scratch tliis can we re.-olve all of the problei-us that 

 confront us in other parts of the world? I was impressed with the 

 history of the Cromwell current, for instance, which was hit upon 

 comparatively recently — I believe within the last decade. 



There are a great many implications in that, both in defense and 

 otherwise. 



