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Are there currents iii tlie vast reaches of the Pacific that could be 

 pumping water with the same effect ? 



How can we get into these areas even if the data we are getting is 

 not the refined type of thing that the idealistic scientists want ? Is it 

 not better to get some rough data on these rather than hold this thing 

 back, Admiral ? 



Admiral Hayavard. Any data is better than none. 



Mr. JVItller. I was going to say that I quit engineering when I en- 

 tered the Army in World War I, so that I hesitate to apply to myself 

 the title of an old engineer but, as an old engineer, I remember some 

 of the men who drove the Canadian Northern across the hills and I 

 knew one of the men who made some of the preliminary reconnais- 

 sance on that and they did not even know what river basic they were 

 going to hit on the other side. 



Of course, today, you could fly over it and take some pictures and 

 come back and most likely have laid out this railroad without half 

 the effort. 



Is this not what we are up against in these vast regions of the Pa- 

 cific and the South Atlantic, that we do not know where the river 

 basins and mountains are in the bottom of the ocean ? 



Admiral Hatavard. All this is true, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Miller. How can we get at that? This is one of the provoca- 

 tive things. 



We thought that we could, for instance, equip the Savannah with 

 some instruments and let her, as she plies around the ocean, dig up 

 some of these things, and that we could put some instruments on some 

 ships that cross that occasionally which would not give us the bottom 

 of the deeps by any degree of refinement but they certainly would 

 have been able to tell us whether there is one there that is 20,000 feet 

 deep as against 10,000 feet deep. 



I think, as an old engineer, we would be very much interested in 

 that but somehow or other some of our scientists did not think this 

 was right, that we had to get this information with all its refinements 

 the first time. 



Admiral Hatward. We use a lot of this. All of our ships, as you 

 know, report to the Hydrographic Office and we go to a lot of out-of- 

 the-way places. 



The depths, temperatures, weather are all processed. This data 

 is better than none at all. 



Mr. IVIiLLER. Certainly. 



Admiral Hayavard. It is not the refined scientific work that you do 

 but you do get weather information. You get a lot from it. 



Mr. Miller. It might give you a lead to know where to go out and 

 look for the other things. 



Admiral Hatward. That may very well be. It is amazing that 

 even on some of the better traveled routes on the North Atlantic and 

 Pacific there is a lack of information. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Pelly ? 



Mr. Pelly. Admiral, I think the record would be helped if you 

 would indicate your views as to whether we are doing enough in the 

 field of controlling radiocative contamination and are working out a 

 solution for the disposal of radioactive waste. 



Admiral Hayw^vrd. From my knowledge at the moment, I think we 

 are, Mr. Pelly. I think that with the Atomic Energy Commission, our 



