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people, Admiral Rickover's people, that we are controlling it. It is a 

 veiy long-t^.nn project, as you know. You just cannot say that you 

 have everything in hand now. You do not know the problems 10 years 

 from now but I think by being careful as to how you dispose of it now, 

 Avhat you do witli it, will save you some real nasty problems in the 

 future. 



Mr. Pelly. If the Navy would be more or less in control of all 

 research on oceanography or dominate it, I am wondering, for example, 

 if we would do enough basic research in ti'ansfer of radioactivity from 

 inorganic materials to the actual sea water and its effect on the genetics. 



Admiral Hayward. Well, I feel that, with the Atomic Energy Com- 

 mission as an obseiYer in this ])articular connuittee and following it, 

 we are very closely allied with those people on anything we do in this 

 area, and 1 think, in the basic research side, they are primarily inter- 

 ested in some of this. 



As you know, all the way back from the Bikini tests, we have done 

 work on this particular subject and its effect on fish. You are familiar 

 with some of those reports, I am sure. That is now 14 years ago, and 

 we are beginning to get a pretty good record of just what the effects 

 were. 



Mr. Pelly. I noticed, for example, that in Mr. Miller's bill, H.R. 

 10412, to which other Members have introduced companion bills, that 

 the Atomic Energy Conmiission is not listed as being one of the agen- 

 cies that would have a representative on a coordinating committee on 

 oceanography, and I notice they are mentioned on the Interagency 

 Conmiittee on Oceanography and I think possibly the record should 

 indicate an opinion from you as to whether, if C-ongress does legislate 

 In this matter and does establish a policy, would you not think that 

 there should be added a permanent member from the Atomic Energy 

 Commission '( 



Admiral Haywakd. Yes, sir; very decidedly I do. They should 

 have a representative. 



Mr. Pp:lly. Well, I notice that in this particular bill and I think we 

 should have it in mind. 



Again, I would like to just conclude because time is short. In your 

 opinion, are w^e moving in the direction of establishing a nationwide 

 policy for the development of marine sciences as we are going now or 

 would you think that maybe it could be better implemented by the 

 permanent law and statutory oi'ganization 'i 



Admiral Hayward. Well, in the 4 years that I have been here, we 

 have taken tremendous steps and we have gotten good scientific people 

 interested in this problem, and I think that we will come out with a 

 national program that will be very excellent. I really do not feel that 

 a specific law to this will assist it tremendously nor or is really neces- 

 sary. The time may come when it will be but right at the moment, 

 I feel, from the start of Admiral Bennett's letter, from the start when 

 we came to Congress ?> or 4 years ago, that Ave have come a long way. 

 We had a lot of opposition, as you remember, Mr. Pelly. We had to 

 sell our own people in the Navy. We had to sell a lot of people in 

 the Navy. We had to sell a lot of people on this. We have come a 

 long way. We have gotten MIT interested in working with Woods 

 Hole. We have increased the educational aspects. We have Dr. 

 Henderson, the people out at Washington. We have gotten a lot of 



