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man who is building the missile sees the money going to oceanography, 

 and he says, "I want bullets in the locker." It is the same thing that 

 we get in the field. He would be wrong if he did not push his program. 



This is what you will always have, the way the program is put 

 together and it is diverse. He would be wrong if he was not enthu- 

 siastic. It would be just as wrong if the oceanographer did not fight 

 for his program. 



Admiral Burke himself approved and went along with the TENOC 

 program. To get that program approved by the Chief of Naval 

 Operations was a tremendous step forward and Admiral Bennett 

 deserves tremendous credit on that, and it was a long, hard pull for 

 him, I know. 



Mr. Lennon. I was thinking of the possibility that if the data 

 center is lodged in a bureau of the Navy that you might still have the 

 opposition of the Department of Defense to what it ultimately deter- 

 mined to be a purely civilian agency. 



I was interested, too, in the Secretary's last statement that it al- 

 ways, and I quote, "is in competition with ships of the line." 



Your statement to the effect that you had to overcome in the Navy 

 itself an opposition to this type of program plus the Secretary's 

 concluding remarks that always we have to consider in competition 

 with ships of the line are the two most significant statements that 

 have been made here today and lead me decidedly to the conclusion 

 that seems to be in the mind of the gentleman from Washington, Mr. 

 Pelly, that maybe we ought to consider very seriously the question of 

 establishing this agency by an act of the Congi-ess. 



I do not suppose that the Department of Defense had too much 

 enthusiasm about the establishment of the National Science and As- 

 tronautics Committee. 



Most of the information that I had from members of the Depart- 

 ment of Defense felt that it ought to be kept in the Army or Navy 

 or Air Force but we finally did meet that issue, rightly or wrongly. 

 We do not know. 



Tliat is all I have. 



Admiral Hatward. Mr. Lennon, in answer to your question, first 

 there were a lot of us that went right along with the committee and 

 so testified, but the Hydrographic Office right today has 70 percent 

 of all the data that you refer to. When I said "opposition," the Hy- 

 drographic Office is de}^endent in the Navy on everything that this 

 outfit puts out. Actually, the way the research and development 

 budget is made up, everything is in competition, and Mr. Wakelin 

 mentioned the ships of the line. Tliat is true, too, but 1 do not see 

 how you can change this and you should not. 



I think oceanography has done real v,'ell in my 4 years here and I 

 will let the Secretary answer anything further on that particular 

 phase. 



Mr. Lexxon. Well, <lie U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey is charged 

 with a statutory responsibility of compiling data in at least three 

 categories that were mentioned a few minutes ago, is that not so, all 

 of which would contribute to this overall picture? If that is done 

 by statute, you would certainly have to amend that statute to transfer 

 that authority over to the Hydrographic Office in the Navy Depart- 

 ment. Would you not have to do that ? 



