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opinion, Mr. Chairman, has been quite effective. It seems to me that 

 it is quite essential that at least part of these matters be taken up 

 through members of the administration who are in a position to act; 

 who are in a position to set policy for the administration. These 

 people are. They are at the secretarial level. They have also been 

 wise enough to put underneath them a standing committee of top 

 scientists in each department. I am fortunate enough to be an alter- 

 nate on tlie standing committee for the Department of the Interior. 

 The Director of the Geological Survey is the Interior Department rep- 

 resentative, and I am sure that you will agree with me that he is a very 

 eminent scientist in the field of geology. Other departments have 

 made what I consider to be veiy excellent selections, so we have right 

 underneath the political-executive policymaking level this council 

 of top scientists in Govermnent. And then there are several com- 

 mittees who are answering to the Federal Council directly. One of 

 those is the Committee on Oceanography. I feel that they are answer- 

 ing to the Federal Council directly primarily because of the emphasis 

 that has been put on oceanographic programs. 



Dr. Wakelin of the Navy already testified before you and said he is 

 the chairman of that particular committee, and on that committee I 

 represent the Department of the Interior. We have attempted to co- 

 ordinate the existing efforts in Government in oceanogi-aphy, and we 

 have made a stab in attempting to look at the future. We reviewed 

 the National Academy of Science's report. By the way, it got a pretty 

 clear bill of health from us also. From there it Avent en up to the 

 Federal Council where it was adopted and is now Federal policy, 

 wliich is tremendously important in the way our Government operates. 



Now, the various Departments of Government are budgeting on 

 the basis of this particulai- report, and you know that we are prepar- 

 ing our 19G2 budgets, and these particular programs are being re- 

 viewed, not only within the departments themselves for the balance 

 they must obtain, but also they are being reviewed by this interagency 

 Committee on Oceanography, the Wakelin committee. Here the 

 efforts of the various departments will be brought together. It is 

 hoped we will be able to bring together a coordinated program. I 

 would hope, of course, we would not attempt to be bureaucratic and 

 stamp out all duplication of efforts. We will attempt to see that there 

 is some review by people who are thinking about this problem to try to 

 get the most for the taxpayer's dollar in the matter of oceanography. 



We are also working very' closely with this National Academy of 

 Science's Coordinating Committee on Oceanography. We continue to 

 attend their meetings and the council's interagency connnittee intends 

 to ask the executive secretaries for the National Academy's oceano- 

 gra^phic connnittee to attend the interagency meeting. So then this 

 brings together the Government's efforts in oceanography with the 

 thinking of non-Government experts in oceanography. 



It seems to me that there is the possil)ility of considerable success. I 

 say "possibility" bex?ause we are dealing with people, and I am not 

 sure yet this is going to work perfectly. In my opinion it has not 

 worked perfectly yet, but I am veiy hopeful with the ])roper stimu- 

 lus, both from Congi-ess and from the Government agencies, and 

 from the scientific connnunity outside of Govennnent, that there will 

 be enough stimulation of effort to brin<r about a coordination of 



