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Admiral Hat^vard. Yes. The Department of the Navy, Commerce, 

 Interior, and the Xational Science Foundation and the Atomic Energy 

 Commission, their representatives would be the policy group for 

 things to do with management. In other words, they would oversee 

 the program very much in the way other joint programs go. 



With the AEC and the Xavy we have a joint physics program. In 

 this particular case both bodies put up the money. The Xavy is the 

 management agency, however. The policy is run by the top people of 

 the two agencies. 



The amount that will be budgeted and the program is determined at 

 that level. 



Mr. Bauer. My thinking Avas whether the Secretary of the XaA'y 

 would take kindly to anyone telling him how to run his shop. That 

 is essentially what would happen. 



Admiral Hayward. You must distinguish between actual manage- 

 ment of the funds that are allocated. If each agency budgets and 

 allocates certain sums they should have some say in the policy side of 

 it. The direct management of the funds would be the responsibility 

 of the Secretary of the Xavy, the same as he is the direct manager 

 of these other funds. 



]Mr. Pelly. I notice you stated there should be a central location 

 for the calibration and adjustment of instruments. Is it necessary 

 to bring all instruments into one central location to be sure they are 

 all adjusted one equal with the other? 



Admiral Hayward. As a physicist third class now I will put my 

 hat on and say this: It is strange that this never has been clone in 

 oceanography, and we have some very strange answers. 



In physics, whenever you measure the velocity of light or some- 

 thing, you do it under the same conditions. The oceanographic in- 

 strumentation business today, if I were to describe it, is pretty chaotic. 

 You can get any answer on many things. 



I will give you a good example. Take oxyg^en measurements in 

 water by AVoods Hole and British oceanographic ships; they are 

 known to differ about 5 percent. I think if something is wrong by 

 5 percent you had better begin to look at the calibration of the 

 instruments. 



Mr. Pelly. I was thinking it would be simpler for Mohammed to 

 go to the mountain in some cases than for somebody from Washington 

 to go out and adjust them. 



Admiral Hayavard. I see. You would have a standard method of 

 doing this, approaching the instrumentation problem. Like many 

 other things you would be able to adjust them to this calibration in 

 the field or at the various laboratories. You have to have some stand- 

 ard. It is really strange when you get so many different answers 

 from these present organizations on everything from the speed of 

 sound in water to the salinity. 



Mr. Pelly. I am talking about something I know nothing about, 

 but it seems to me that some of the instruments I have observed are 

 rather large, and certainly it would be difficult to transport them. 

 They may get out of adjustment in transport. 



I thought you had an idea of sending back all of these instrunuents 

 to be adjusted in one spot. 



Admiral Hayward. Xo, sir. AMiat we would intend to do in this 

 field would be to require our contractors, at least, to use calibrated 



