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Scripps and other places. I believe this adds to the strength of the 

 country's effort. 



Mr. DiNGELL. I have no objection to assisting these private institu- 

 tions, even by assistance in ship construction, but the question con- 

 cerning me is this. In the event this vessel were to be used or sold as a 

 fishing trawler or the institution for one reason or another were to 

 close its doors, what would happen to the vessel then? 



Dr. Waterman. As Dr. Robertson said, we do require in our con- 

 tract for this that the institution check with us as to the purposes for 

 which the vessel is to be used from time to time. 



Mr. DiNGELL. Once you give them title to the vessel how do you 

 recapture it if they do not use it as you dictate? 



Dr. Waterman. I forget the terms of the grant. Do you remem- 

 ber those ? 



Dr. Eobertson, Not on that point. 



Mr. Dixgell. Do you have any control over this? I am very in- 

 terested in this point. I would like to see this vessel afloat, but at the 

 same time I would like to know whether or not it is going to serve the 

 purposes you indicated. 



Dr. Robertson. We made a grant essentially to Woods Hole to 

 build a ship which we can regard as a scientific instniment, to use for 

 their research purposes. 



Mr. Dingell. I understand. Wliat happens if they do not follow 

 that? I assume it is a farfetched possibility, but in the event they 

 should not use it as indicated, what would the National Science 

 Foimdation do ? 



Dr. Robertson. We have the same problem, in a sense, in all our 

 grants. We make grants for basic research and research equipment. 



Mr. Dingell. I understand, excepting the cyclotron can only be 

 used as a cyclotron, or a particle accelerator as a particle accelerator. 



Dr. AYaterman. That is not exactly correct, sir. You can use a 

 cyclotron or a particle accelerator for the making of isotopes. 



Mr. Dingell. But it is limited in its uses, whereas, the sliip has a 

 widespread series of purposes for which it may be used. 



Dr. Waterman. This would be a legal point requiring attention, I 

 would think, but the purpose in the grant was spelled out that these 

 ships were to be used for basic research in oceanography. If they 

 should not be used for that purpose, I should think the Government 

 should have some say in the matter, though I am not a lawyer. 



Mr. Dingell. The question I am directing to you, since you are the 

 officer to speak on liehalf of the National Science Foundation, I would 

 like to know: (1) "\Aliat would the National Science Foundation pro- 

 pose to do, and (2) what could it do under its contract ? 



I would like to have some explanation of that. Perhaps your coun- 

 sel would like to give his name for the record and explain it to us. 



Dr. Waterman. We could give this some thought and submit some- 

 thing for the record unless Counsel would like to speak now. 



]Mr. HoFF. I am William Hoff, General Counsel of the Foundation. 



It seems to me the chief sanction of all these things is that the ship 

 is given to them for certain purposes, specified in the grant, for basic 

 research. We have continuing relations with these institutions. The 

 institutions are for the purpose dedicated to basic research. 



If they misused anything which had been given to them under the 

 grant, it would be very difficult for them to get further support on 



