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As the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries continued its reorganiza- 

 tion, it establishetl a project office in California and has no\y estab- 

 lished last year a biological laboratory in San Diego which will sei-ve 

 as the focal point of the direction of its investigations in the whole 

 eastern Pacific area, California and south. 



What is needed now is money. The scientists in our area work very 

 closely together. All of the organizations work veiy closely to- 

 gether. We have what is called the Eastern Pacific Oceanic Confer- 

 ence each year to whicli the oceanographers and tuna biologists from 

 not only all of our institutions in this country but also the ones in the 

 southern countries and through discussions and very informal activi- 

 ties, relate their programs together for the coming year and report 

 upon what has been accomplished in the last year. 



This is a veiw strong correlating mechanism. We have no duplica- 

 tion of elfort as a result of tliat in that whole broad area of ocean 

 from Peru north to British Columbia, and including the JapanevSe. 



We find out tlirough these yearly discussions not only what each 

 other is doing, so that there will not be duplication, but also what 

 loopholes of investigation are being left so that what spare money 

 can be drummed up can be used to investigate these loopholes of in- 

 vestigation which nobody is gathering. 



The Bureau of Commercial Fisheries in itself has developed a 10- 

 year program of research which encompasses our research activities 

 as well as those of the whole country. You people have not seen it 

 yet but I am informed that it will be in your hands before the end 

 of this session of CongrevSS. I have had some contact with it and have 

 reviewed it from time to time as it progressed and think that their 

 progi'am is a very well conceived one. But, here again, we are talk- 

 ing really in tenns of getting more money to put liesh and blood on 

 the skeleton organization which we have formed. 



Our industry in itself has formed this Resources Committee that I 

 mentioned a little while ago for the purpose of having all canners, all 

 labor unions, and all boatowners associations connected Avith our 

 industry" have a focal point where they can aid in these ])rograms of 

 research. 



Mr. Miller. Has labor joined with you ? 



Mr. Chapman. Yes. In fact, in my present guise today, I am 

 representing the labor miions down in our area, also, insofar as these 

 oceanographic programs of research are concerned. 



The Resources Committee is intended really as a point where all 

 of the people in the industry — the canners, boatowners, and labor — 

 can lay aside our differences and come here and talk about our prob- 

 lems that we have in common ; and these research problems are all of 

 common interest to us. 



Mr. ^Miller. I want to particularly bring that out be€ause I am not 

 mifamiliar with it and I think that the fishing industry has shown 

 the way for cooperation between labor and management in trying 

 to protect and advance the industry the benefit of all of them. 



I know that they do have their very bitter squabbles, but when they 

 are through they put these aside and then get down and do that 

 which is good for the industry. 



I think this has been carried on for some time, has it not? 



