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lumbia University, with the people that he has selected to work with 

 him to review our whole national effort. 



So we have Dr. Swing's panel that has in the last 2 or 3 years 

 reviewed our program, the relationship to the National Academy, and 

 of course, a close working relationship with civilian oceanographic 

 institutions at Woods Hole, at Columbia, the Miami University, Texas 

 A. & M., and the University of Washington, on the west coast. We 

 have constant feedin and recommendations from the civilians who 

 are most knowledgeable in this field. 



Mr. Ellsworth. But the only way that that filters back into the 

 actual operating departments and agencies and finds itself reflected 

 in their spending of money and in their operations is through the 

 power of persuasion. Is that correct? 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes, sir; entirely. 



Mr. Ellsworth. Well, if you can provide those figures on fiscal 

 year 1961 , I would appreciate it, and I have no further questions, 

 Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. We are delighted and honored to have our chairman 

 of our parent committee here, this morning. Mr. Bonner, would you 

 like to ask something? 



Any more questions? 



Mr. Bauer. One last question, Mr. Secretary, and that is, we have 

 a precedent in the executive department for creating such a group as 

 has been described by Congressman Lennon, and so on, and is spelled 

 out in H.R. 4276, do we not? We have a precedent, do we not? 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Bauer. And I am referring to the President's message on 

 water resources and the companion bill before the House, H.R. 8177, 

 and also the creation of the Space Council, which is now Public Law 

 87-26 passed in the 87th Congress. I just want to get that in. 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. 



Mr. Bonner. May I ask him one question? 



Mr. Lennon. Yes, sir; Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Bonner. You have been a very interesting witness. I haven't 

 had the opportunity to hear as much of the testimony on this subject 

 as I would have desired. But do I understand that you advocate 

 some one agency to coordinate this work? It looks to me from your 

 statement that this thing is just scattered all over everywhere, helter- 

 skelter, and there is no central organization, is there? 



Mr. Wakelin. We feel that the Interagency Committee on 

 Oceanography provides the coordinating mechanism, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Bonner. But you don't have any — as Mr. Lennon, 1 think, 

 asked the question — you don't have any influence on these various 

 agencies to bring them in to carry on coordinated, uniform programs, 

 do you. 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes, sir; we have a great deal of influence. 



Mr. Bonner. Influence, that is all you have 



Mr. Wakelin. We have the influence, but we don't have the 

 authority; yes, sir. 



Mr. Bonner. That is what I meant. 



Mr. Wakelin. Yes, sir. 



