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regard on an international scale as well as initiating similar programs 

 with that segment of industry whose work involves data acquisition 

 and study. 



This concludes my statement, Mr. Chairman, and I am open to 

 your questioning, and that of the committee. 



Thank you. 



Mr. Dingell. Mr. Secretary, I want to commend you on a very 

 fine statement. I am one of your enthusiastic admirers. 



Mr. Wakelin. Thank you, sir. 



Mr. Dingell. Mr. Bauer. 



Mr. Bauer. Mr. Chairman. In your presentation, you make 

 reference to a national oceanographic program. You make further 

 reference to the Government's overall, long-range efforts, and you 

 make reference to a plan. What is the plan and what is our national, 

 overall effort, and do you have a copy of this plan that you refer to? 



Mr. Wakelin. Mr. Bauer, are you referring to a plan over the 

 successive 8 to 10 years in the future? There are a number of plans 

 that we have, and I would like to answer your question in the context 

 that you would want. 



Mr. Bauer. Well, on page 7 you mention that you review and 

 endorse agency programs within the context of the total national 

 effort as generated by the agencies, and it has been our experience in 

 the last two sessions of the Congress that we are unable to get a plan 

 of oceanographic effort from the Department of Interior. We have 

 seen the TENOC plan that is purely Navy, but as far as a com- 

 posite plan, we have not seen such a piece of paper. 



Do you have such a piece of paper? 



Mr. Wakelin. I do not have such a piece of paper, but I know now 

 to what particular group of plans you refer. 



We in the ICO have asked the departments and the agencies in 

 the ICO to submit to us a 10-year program somewhat similar in their 

 agencies and departments as the TENOC program developed last 

 year in the Navy. We have not received complete program plans 

 from all of the agencies. We have seen drafts of the Interior's plans. 

 We have talked to the National Science Foundation about their sub- 

 mitting their plan to us within the next several weeks. 



We have a plan from the Smithsonian, the Department of Com- 

 merce, and the Beach Erosion Board. I believe that covers all that 

 we have in ICO right now. 



I would think by the end of March or April we should have all of 

 the departments' and agencies' plans at our disposal and then could 

 develop through committee action the total national plan over the 

 next 10 years. 



Mr. Morse. Mr. Chairman, may I interrupt there? 



I think a necessary first step, Mr. Secretary, is the establishment of 

 objectives and goals. Have you defined the goals? 



Mr. Wakelin. I think our goals were fairly well described scientif- 

 ically in the NASCO report that was issued in 1959 by the Academy. 

 Of course, the goals that we have as individual agencies have to co- 

 incide with the roles and missions of our agencies and departments. 



Mr. Morse. We are talking about a national oceanographic effort, 

 and it would seem to me that the very first step would be the establish- 

 ment of identifiable specific objectives. If we have adopted the 

 NASCO recommendations, all well and good. If the NASCO report 



