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Mr. McKernan. They have had, and especially in the field of 

 instrumentation, of course. 



Mr. Bauer. But not in the support of general operations to the 

 tune of 90 percent of their entire budget. Is that right? 



Mr. McKernan. Well, I would suspect that some specialized 

 industries are supported almost a hundred percent, although I have 

 no personal knowledge of this, but I would suspect that some of these 

 instrumentation agencies are supported almost entirely by Govern- 

 ment, Mr. Bauer. 



Mr. Bauer. The next question, sir, is, Is HEW a member of the 

 panel? 



Mr. McKernan. HEW a member of our panel? 



Mr. Bauer. Yes. 



Mr. McKernan. I don't believe they are active in our panel. 



Mr. Bauer. Do you coordinate HEW's requirements with facilities 

 and instrumentation? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes, to the extent that they have such require- 

 ments, these requirements do come into our panel. 



Mr. Bauer. How many shellfish laboratories are operated by the 

 Bureau of Commercial Fisheries? 



Mr. McKernan. I think about four, Mr. Bauer. I am pretty 

 sure this is right. 



Mr. Bauer. On the Atlantic coast you have three, do you not? 



Mr. McKernan. No, we have four on the Atlantic coast, and then 

 in fact, there is some work going on at our Woods Hole Lab which 

 would be a fifth. 



Mr. Bauer. Did you coordinate the development and construction 

 of the shellfish research center to be built in Providence, R.I., by 

 HEW? 



Air. McKernan. Yes, we did. 



Mr. Bauer. Why was it necessary? 



Mr. McKernan. Well, we have communicated a considerable 

 amount of information to your chairman on this subject. I am not 

 sure that we have satisfactorily answered all the problems, but we have 

 attempted to do so. 



Mr. Dingell. As a matter of fact, the chairman in his corres- 

 pondence gleaned that it came as quite a surprise to both the Bureau 

 of Commercial Fisheries and the Department of Health, Education, 

 and Welfare that these two facilities to which Mr. Bauer is referring 

 were being set up, and I will submit the correspondence I had back 

 and forth with the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare 

 and with the Department of Interior on this point to speak for itself. 



(The document referred to is as follows:) 



Department of the Interior, 



Office of the Secretary, 

 Washington, D.C., February 8, 1962. 

 Hon. John D. Dingell, 

 House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 



Dear Mr. Dingell: This is in reply to your letter of January 19, 1962, which 

 transmitted a copy of your letter of the same date to the President concerning 

 your proposal for the consolidation of Public Health Service and Bureau of Com- 

 mercial Fisheries shellfish research laboratories in New England. The two labo- 

 ratories under consideration are the Public Health Service Shellfish Sanitation 

 Research Center scheduled for construction at Kingston, R.I., with funds appro- 

 priated for fiscal year 1962, and the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries Shellfish 

 Research Center at Milford, Conn., authorized by Public Law 87-173. 



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