66 EFFECTIVENESS OF THE COMMITTEE ON OCEANOGRAPHY 



Mr. Dingell. I am convinced of the breakdown of coordination 

 here in regard to these two facilities. 



Mr. Bauer. 



Mr. Bauer. Mr. McKernan, is it a fair statement to say if you 

 have an oyster, and the oyster gets sick and dies, and doesn't transmit 

 sickness to a human being, then that is the property of the investi- 

 gative responsibility of the Bureau of Commercial Fisheries? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. 



Mr. Bauer. And if the oyster gets sick and someone eats the sick 

 oyster and gets sick himself, that is the responsibility of the Depart- 

 ment of Health, Education, and Welfare? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. 



Mr. Bauer. And if the oyster doesn't get sick, but absorbs a little 

 beastie that makes people sick, then that is the Department of 

 Health, Education, and Welfare that has the responsibility? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. 



Mr. Bauer. Does the oyster care how you organize departments? 



Mr. McKernan. Not in the slightest. 



Mr. Bauer. Thank you, sir. 



The next question I would like to ask you, sir, is with respect to the 

 development of the facility for biological research at Scripps; are you 

 concerned with that? 



Mr. McKernan. Oh, yes. Are you talking about the laboratory 

 which has been authorized and is now in design by our Bureau at 

 Scripps? 



Mr. Bauer. That is correct, sir. Where do you intend to build it? 

 On whose land? 



Mr. McKernan. On land which now belongs to Scripps, but which 

 is being deeded to the Federal Government. 



Mr. Bauer. In other words, it will be on your land? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. 



Mr. Bauer. Now, with respect to the Seattle Conference, I notice 

 in your statement that it was decided that the additional facility in 

 Seattle was not necessary. Is that correct? I think you said that. 



Mr. Pelly. That was Tongue Point, Oreg. 



Mr. McKernan. I don't believe I said that there was no new 

 facility needed. 



Mr. Bauer. What came out of the Seattle discussions? Was there 

 any new agreement as to the necessity for the facility? 



Mr. McKernan. They talked about a number of things at Seattle. 

 They talked about separate facilities, physical facilities, or joint phys- 

 ical facilities, somewhere, for all interested agencies. 



They felt that there was enough reason, enough established facili- 

 ties at the present time, so that some of the groups should go ahead 

 on their own and further develop their own facilities. For example, 

 we have an existing laboratory very close to the university but not on 

 the campus, and it was decided to go ahead with the expansion of that 

 particular facility, that this seemed to be most efficient. 



On the other hand, with respect to the needs for facilities, expansion 

 of facilities at the Department of Oceanography in the campus of the 

 University of Washington, it is my understanding that they agreed 

 that having these facilities right on the campus for teaching and 

 graduate research needs was also necessary. 



Now, with respect to joint vessel facilities there, between ourselves 

 and the Coast and Geodetic Survey, if my memory serves me cor- 



