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been three different stations established when maybe one could have 

 done the same job, as the chairman seems to have found. 



That is all. 



Mr. Dingell. Thank you very much, Mr. Pelly. 



Mr. Lennon? 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. McKernan, are the chairmen of the several panels 

 members of the ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. No; they are not. 



Mr. Lennon. In other words, the chairmen of these panels that are 

 set up to make the study of the problems, then, do not go back and 

 sit as members of the ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. I am a member of the ICO, and I am a member 

 of this particular panel. 



Mr. Lennon. You are the chairman of this particular panel? 



Mr. McKernan. I am chairman of this panel. 



Mr. Lennon. You are also a member representing the Department 

 of the Interior in the ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. Now, the chairmen of the other various panels rep- 

 resent their various departments and agencies on the ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes; they are to a considerable extent staff mem- 

 bers of the ICO. For example, Admiral Karo, from the Coast and 

 Geodetic Survey, his head staff member is the chief oceanographer of 

 the Coast and Geodetic Survey. Dr. Harris Stuart is a chairman. 



Mr. Lennon. What I am trying to find out is, do these panel chair- 

 men attend the ICO meetings? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. But not the members of the ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. Right. 



Mr. Lennon. They are subordinate to members of the ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. 



Mr. Lennon. Do you know the members of the other five panels 

 set up under the ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. Now, I may not know every single member 

 personally, Mr. Lennon, but in general, the answer to your question 

 is "Yes." 



Mr. Lennon. In general, you do, because you are on the ICO? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes; and I see these men and talk to them and 

 listen to them. 



Mr. Lennon. Well, now, the representative of the Navy, Mr. 

 Jennings, on your panel, is he a member of any one of the other panels? 



Mr. McKernan. No; I don't believe so. 



Mr. Lennon. Do you know that? 



Mr. McKernan. We can ask him. He is here. 



Mr. Jennings, are you a member of any other panel? 



Mr. Jennings. Yes, sir; I am a member of the Research Ship 

 Panel. 



Mr. McKernan. The Research Ship Panel. I am sorry, Mr. 

 Lennon, I shouldn't have answered quite so quickly. 



Mr. Lennon. Well, now, Mr. G. Jaffe on our panel, is he a member 

 of any other panel? 



Mr. Jaffe. No, sir; I am not. 



Mr. Lennon. Your alternate, Commander Treadwell, is he a 

 member of any other panel? 



