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Mr. McKernan. Do you know, Mr. Jaffe? 



Mr. Jaffe. No, sir; I don't believe he is. 



Mr. Lennon. You don't know that. He is the alternate, I believe, 

 Mr. Jennings? 



Mr. McKernan. We just hear authoritatively that he is not. 



Mr. Lennon. That he is not, for the record. 



Now, is Mr. A. J. Goodheart? 



Mr. Goodheart. I am not. 



Mr. Lennon. Not a member of another panel. How about your 

 alternate, Mr. Theodore Ryan? 



Mr. McKernan. No; I don't believe he is. Is he a member of 

 another panel? L<k j 



Dr. Stuart. Yes; Mr. Ryan is a member of the Research Panel. 



Mr. Lennon. Mr. Ryan is a member of the Research Panel and the 

 alternate to another on this panel? 



Dr. Stuart. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Lennon. How about Mr. Dinsmore of the Coast Guard? 



Mr. Dinsmore. Sir, I am an alternate member of the panel, and I 

 work very closely with the panel. I am a member of the Ships 

 Panel. 



Mr. Lennon. You are a member, then, of two panels? 



Mr. Dinsmore. I am a member of two panels, and an alternate 

 member of the third panel. 



Mr. Lennon. Dr. Bader represents the National Science Founda- 

 tion on your panel? 



Dr. Ray. Dr. Richard Bader is the representative of the facilities 

 panel, and I am his alternate. 



Mr. Lennon. Is he a member of any one of the other five panels? 



Dr. Ray. I believe he is alternate on the Ships Panel. Is that 

 right? He is not a member of any other panel. He may serve as 

 alternate on one of the others. 



Mr. Lennon. But he, of course, is a member of that panel there 

 and you are his alternate. Are you on any other panel? 



Dr. Ray. I am a member of the NASCO Committee on the Re- 

 search Panel. I do not represent the Science Foundation and Dr. 

 Bader is the Science Foundation representative on the Research Panel. 



Mr. Lennon. Then you people wear different hats when you at- 

 tend different panels, and there are not enough people in Government 

 from these various agencies who are competent — to have a person 

 competent in their field — to have one separate person for each panel? 



Mr. McKernan. Well, Mr. Lennon, the answer to your question 

 is "No." 



Mr. Lennon. There are? 



Mr. McKernan. There are adequate people. There are some 

 advantages. 



Mr. Lennon. Why do you use the same people on the same panels 

 so often? 



Mr. McKernan. Because the responsibilities of these panels some- 

 times overlap, and there is a great advantage in having sometimes 

 the same people on these different panels. 



Mr. Lennon. You must have a reason for it. It is obvious that 

 that is what is being done, that on all panels, the majority of them 

 serve on at least two, and sometimes on three. 



