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Mr. Lennon. Where is your shellfish laboratory in the gulf coast? 



Mr. McKernan. It is at Pensacola — at Gulf Breeze, near Pensa- 

 cola. 



Mr. Lennon. And serves that area? 



Mr. McKernan. And this is carrying out research in estuarine 

 problems and oyster studies in this area. 



Mr. Lennon. And the same determination was made between your 

 Department and HEW that your facilities there could not be enlarged 

 and new scientists brought in to study there that the decision was 

 made up in Rhode Island? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes. I would like to be responsive to your 

 question. 



Mr. Lennon. You spent another half a million dollars up there? 



Mr. McKernan. Yes, and the reasons for this were the require- 

 ments laid down by HEW that they needed an area that was, as I 

 remember, entirely free of pollution. 



I was in no position then, nor am I in a position now, to question 

 these criteria. 



Now, because I am a biologist, and I can realize that carrying out 

 certain experiments they well might need pollution-free water, and 

 then they said they did need pollution-free water to carry these on, 

 they discussed the various kinds of work they were going to do, this 

 seemed logical to us. 



Mr. Lennon. These two shellfish research centers, one in Provi- 

 dence and one in Mobile, that the design contract has already been let 

 or the contract for the design, are they authorized, of course, by the 

 Congress? 



Mr. McKernan. This is HEW's budget, and I don't know. 



Mr. Lennon. They are just so big. I think when we started 

 it was about 30,000 employees in 1953, and now it is 63 thousand. 



Mr. Chairman. I ask unanimous consent to have placed in the 

 record at this point GSA news release of January 3, 1962, pertaining 

 to the construction of a shellfish research center by HEW at Provi- 

 dence, R.I., and ask unanimous consent to have placed in the hearing 

 record at this time a GSA release of January 2, 1962, for plans per- 

 taining again to the construction of a shellfish research center at 

 Mobile, Ala. 



Mr. Dingell. Without objection, it is so ordered. 



(The information referred to follows :) 



[GSA No. 1597, for immediate release, Jan. 3, 1962] 



The General Services Administration has announced the selection of two 

 Providence, R.I., architectural firms to design a shellfish research center to be built 

 in Providence. 



Plans and specifications for the project are expected to be completed by early- 

 spring by Kiely-Fletcher & Associates and Fenton G. Keyes Associates. 



The facility, which has a limit of cost of $1,065,000, is to be built for the Depart- 

 ment of Health, Education, and Welfare. It will provide 20,300 gross square feet 

 of space for research activities involving sanitation aspects of the harvesting and 

 marketing of shellfish. 



