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sions which are well defined, there may be opportunities for small- 

 er programs, for parallel programs in which this collaboration can 

 amplify the benefits, both in terms of training scientists and in 

 terms of the science which is being discovered and developed. 



Mr. SCHIFF. Let me just conclude — I'm sorry. Dr. Mahoney, did 

 you want to add to that? 



Mr. Mahoney. There is a sense on the panel that when the na- 

 tional laboratory is staying right on its mission and doing what it 

 was set up to do, that's a very important role, especially in times 

 of declining funding. 



It's when the mission changes and goes looking for a new mission 

 to justify funding that the panel was saying — that sort of thing is 

 probably not a good idea. And certainly, those kinds of roles are 

 better done by universities where you can move up and down, you 

 can add programs and stop program rather quickly, in addition to 

 all the other roles that have been described here. 



Mr. SCHIFF. I just heard the time go off. Let me just make one 

 quick final comment, and that is, the University of California's 

 management agreement is up fairly soon to operate Los Alamos 

 National Laboratory, which they've done now in the vicinity of 50 

 years. 



I met with the regent of the University of California and I said, 

 why does the University of California want to renew that agree- 

 ment? And they said, of course, public service and so forth, which 

 I took sincerely. But they also added, we think it's a great place 

 for our graduate students to do additional work. 



So I think the synergism is there. We need to use it more. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Chairman Walker. The time of the gentleman has expired. 



Mrs. Morella? 



Mrs. Morella. Thank you very much. 



I want to first of all apologize to the very distinguished panel for 

 not being here for the entirety. I was meeting with CXS officials 

 with regard to a Technology Subcommittee meeting. 



But I have perused the wonderful document that you've come up 

 with under the auspices of the National Academy of Sciences. I 

 know a lot of the questions have been asked. I believe that the doc- 

 ument is really going to be very useful in suppljdng guidance to 

 this Committee in terms of priorities and criteria that should be es- 

 tablished, and I thank you for that. 



As someone who has the honor of chairing the Technology Sub- 

 committee, I've been made aware of the strong concerns regarding 

 the report, statements about technology transfer. 



Some scientists are concerned that the report severely downplays 

 the importance of technology transfer and the cooperation between 

 the federal labs and industry, recommending that the labs focus ex- 

 clusively on their agencies' missions. 



I wonder how you might respond to the issue of industry/govern- 

 ment partnerships and the importance of technology transfer from 

 our federal laboratories. 



And I guess anyone, and wonder if Dr. Press wants to start off, 

 and then Dr. Fox, or whatever you all have planned. 



Dr. Press. Congresswoman Morella, this issue did come up sev- 

 eral times, and I know you had to be away. 



